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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with Chris O'Brien

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here live not Memorex not on a cell

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phone

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absolutely here and ready to rock and

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roll you know since we did that episode

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a few weeks back with Nancy Talbot the

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crop circle researcher and Robert venden

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broke the alleged psychic you know most

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of the response has been pretty positive

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but one person posted a review on iTunes

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understand iTunes you never know what

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you're going to get usually the people

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who hate you the most will post their

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remarks on iTunes this one says that the

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problem he had or she had I'm not sure

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which is that I asked too many questions

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I didn't just let venden broke and Nancy

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topper talked hmm

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geez doesn't matter what we do gene

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someone's gonna complain about something

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obviously I think you're successful if

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both sides hate you well I prefer to get

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everybody to like me as opposed to hate

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me but well that's show business you're

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in the wrong business if you think you

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can get away with that I've been doing

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pretty good so far I mean this whole

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business with with these controversial

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shows bringing out the I don't know it

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just it seems to bring a quality of

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listener ship out that posts on the

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forums and they they really get into it

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and then we have a show like this

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current show with the guy representing

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Pine the New England paranormal

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investigator group and and you even you

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hear nary a whisper he's he was

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skeptical he's very grounded very

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objective and you know we got one or two

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responses and then you bring someone

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like Robert

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Rokon and there's hundreds of responses

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because of the controversial nature of

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maybe we should just uh create a whole

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new type of radio programming called

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tabloid paranormal well I think that's

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already there but the difference is that

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we don't just let people talk we will

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ask them questions you know like hey

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wait a minute would you justify this

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would you explain that I think for

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example one of the best interviews we

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had on the show was the one that we did

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with scott and suzanne ramsey and i

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think we were very even-handed giving

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them a really fair chance to present

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their evidence yeah but I kept moving

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them and direction to say okay justify

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this explain that I don't understand

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this and there's still some areas I

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don't understand about the case and

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that's something which I think maybe we

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can never resolve at the same time they

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have people who claimed with witnessed a

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crashed saucer there and even just a

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couple of eyewitnesses that's enough to

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say well something happened yeah but

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yeah but the priest the priest blessing

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the the burnt aliens I I just I was

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scratching my head when I heard that one

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well obviously he wasn't making up

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something but I had this other fear and

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it was based on this article that James

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carrion had come out with now James

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carrion was a former international

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director of MUFON the mutual UFO network

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and he had shall we say a less than

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favorable departure from them they

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evidently didn't agree with him on some

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issues and supposedly they didn't like

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the way he handled their money and you

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know I'm not gonna try to guess who's

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talking about or not it was Bigelow in

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his bunch that didn't like they didn't

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like the way that carry-on handed

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handled the money that they paid him and

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he gave it to MUFON well that's the

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point right there that was one key issue

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a lot if it was out of the Bigelow

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episode but you know what they didn't

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kiss and make up with Robert Bigelow

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after he laughed well that we know of

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well nothing they've said about but the

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one thing that was interesting about

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what he said is that he had the feeling

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that at least some UFO cases reported

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during that era of the late 40s maybe

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even early 50s were put there

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by the military or intelligence people

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not to prepare us for alien visitations

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but to spook the righteous yet this

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inform disinformation for the Russians

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and phreak phreak the Russkies out right

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yeah it makes sense to me I mean there

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that makes a lot more sense to me than

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little aliens coming from Zeta Reticuli

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and being brought down by radar

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what's even more peculiar is the Aztec

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case where they weren't brought down by

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anything the only damage they could see

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was a hole in the portal and then they

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see these burnt bodies of something or

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how were they burned the possibility

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I've voiced is you know what maybe this

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was a test aircraft maybe the size was

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wrong because we're having people

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remember what they saw 5060 years ago

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and maybe 25 feet becomes 50 or a

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hundred feet and then maybe these were

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just burnt dummies and the real pilots

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were somewhere else in the ship that

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that's very highly possible yeah I mean

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I don't pretend to know I'd say that

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well but they did your right though that

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the the the Ramseys did a very good job

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in representing years and years of

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research lots of digging obviously

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there's always gonna be unanswered

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questions when you have a case that old

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all your primary witnesses but for the

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most part are gone so you know we just

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have to move on and and hope that the

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that the aliens mess up and you know

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crash like maybe in the suburb of

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Washington DC or something that that'd

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be in these story Oh it'd be nice if

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that happened you know I could dig that

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if there was even the slightest hope

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that would happen but I don't believe

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it's going to happen that easy you know

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things are never that easy in the UFO

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field

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no no it's built in that's kind of a I

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don't know that's sort of a just what

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you have to expect is you're never gonna

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get it easy and as far as the Ramseys

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are concerned well it could have been a

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tea

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it could have been government testing of

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a new aircraft it could have been

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disinformation

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I have no idea and in the end how are we

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ever going to find out I don't know I

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spending a half a million dollars on a

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you know kind of a Don Quixote

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expedition against windmills I'm not

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sure if I if I if I could do that again

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I kind of already did it in the San Luis

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Valley in the 90s and I'm I'm really

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really hesitant to spend a lot of

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resources effort time and energy on on

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field investigations for such old under

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you know water under the bridge type

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cases I mean something new and

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compelling breaking yeah I'll expend all

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my energies and exhaust all efforts to

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dig into a particular case but something

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that old I just I don't know you really

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have to want it to to really dig into it

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you have to have something that looks

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like it might be a smoking gun

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of course Kevin Randall and several

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other people have this so-called doesn't

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like the term dream team to check

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Roswell we'll have to see what happens

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meantime over the past few months you've

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been a busy busy bee what you've been up

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to well I've got a lot of really cool

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things going on as you know most of our

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listeners a faithful listeners who tune

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in every week I do have the San Luis

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Valley sky camera project Sky Watch and

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we are in the final stages of putting

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together our second camera which will be

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the first of the larger regional traing

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triangulated arrays this one is going to

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be up on a 12,000 foot mountain it's

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going up on a NPR radio station tower

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the Forest Service and the OSHA made

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them double the height of their Tower

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because they were radiating the ground

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with their transmitter so oh yeah AMF

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coming your way right so there now

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instead of a 70 you know four-foot Tower

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they're gonna have a hundred and fifty

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foot Tower and we're gonna be about two

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thirds of the way up so now it's farther

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away they won't fry your brain as

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quickly well it's on top of a 12,000

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foot mountain and the only thing they

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get fried is some stunted aspen trees

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and maybe some elk that wander up there

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maybe a rock Marmot or two it's it's way

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up its the largest freestanding mountain

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in North America so it's it's kind of

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isolated from everything else but boy

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hey there's a view up there that just is

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jaw-dropping

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I'll tell you how that going to get into

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more that I'm future episodes today

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David firend from his home in the United

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Kingdom talks to us of course he was

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involved in such cases it's a Highgate

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vampire of course vampires a big now we

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have a new season of True Blood coming

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out so that's gonna be fun but we'll

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talk about in general all the research

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he's done and ask some of the questions

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cast comm David Ferrand joins us from

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his palatial estate in the UK is it a

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palatial estate or am I just making

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something up David you ask me is it the

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palatial estate - room flat yeah

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somewhere in between

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yeah no that's okay we'll accept that

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you can take my word for that it's not a

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it's not a dingy bed spaces some people

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describe it on the internet anyway well

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what they say about my house you don't

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want to know I can imagine if it's

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anything like what they say about my

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house here Eugenia do you have a nice

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apartment I mean your new black yeah

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nice what could be absolutely serious

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with you it is a very nice apartment

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here it overlooks Highgate woods just

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across the road and I can see all over

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London out my back window right up to

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Epping Forest which is about 15 20 miles

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away so I'm quite happy I mean I was

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actually born in Highgate quite a long

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time ago and I've lived here all my life

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so I'm quite happy where I am Jean

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beautiful part part of London and

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one of my favorite Genesis songs is

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called the Battle of Epping Forest which

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you can see right out you win though

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well in the distance and it's got to be

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a clear day too but yes I can see Epping

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Forest yeah I've been there quite a few

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times it's got quite a few gum holdings

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in it oh that would be a story we're

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going to have to ask about alright that

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sounds fascinating but let's talk about

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a subject that you've become fairly well

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known around the world about but to

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begin and to emphasize it these days

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things about vampires are popular we

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have the TV show True Blood you've seen

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that in your country haven't you I don't

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think I've seen that one I've certainly

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seen episodes of Buffy the Vampire

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Hunter yeah okay well it's just by the

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way the creator of Buffy the Vampire

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Slayer is the guy who directed The

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Avengers at very popular movie shows you

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where he's gone with his career but True

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Blood is based on a series of novels

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about things happening you know in

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around the deep south in the United

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States and you know it's werewolves its

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shapeshifters it's vampires I have heard

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about it I just haven't haven't actually

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seen it that's all I mean what is our

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endless fascination about vampires all

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about is it living forever you mean

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apart from blood yeah you mean to live

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forever yeah I'm quite sure that a lot

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of young people and there are vampire

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wood clubs springing up especially in

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America but I say springing up that

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started in 1919 clubs and they just go

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together as a young people they like to

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dress up as vampires but they even put

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the plastic fangs in and they just drink

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red wine and they sit around talking and

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they go to their theaters and they just

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go to events when they go on excursions

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cuz I'm I think it's just a way of life

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if you were to ask me what motivates and

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I would probably agree with what I think

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you I heard you say that it's not so

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much blood but it's a sort of a yearning

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to well if you like almost to live

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forever to overcome death

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but having said that I still think it

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remains basically a myth and I think a

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lot of those people and they are quite

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nice big I mean I've met me in person

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I've been to their meetings - only the

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guest - dad I think they just sort of

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striving for something beyond what they

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see is the material world and all its

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violence and on its apopka see that sort

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of thing

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well there's also sexual aspect of it

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and the reason I say that is even Baylin

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Lugosi he was considered very much kind

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of a sex symbol who seduced women in of

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course the 30s or anything when he did

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those movies I was just gonna say at

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that period of time you know and then

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let's remember when he did those movies

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that was really the start of the movie

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era wasn't it into vampires

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well the very beginning and of course it

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was William drab black and white well

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not Nosferatu is one of the I think the

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creepiest films of all time it was good

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what a classic who argued that but I'm

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just gonna said sort of resolved from

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that then a few decades later a

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Hollywood got involved I mean it all got

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turned into Technicolor didn't it and

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you could see the red blood and the

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white fangs and it started getting more

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and more daring do you think that was

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the Anne Rice influence that if you

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really look at the resurgence of

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interest in vampires in the last 25

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years thirty years

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you just have to automatically right go

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right to Anne Rice and and the you know

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the list at interview with the vampire

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that whole series I think and that

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really did bring in this this very

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mesmerizing dreamlike you know Arata

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sysm that you see and all these shows

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now in these movies who agrees with us

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is basically really high on our list of

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favorite people so

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we're glad that you agree with us

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because you know a lot of people don't

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agree with us I mean Don Ecker agrees

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with us you know that's an exception

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yeah I know so far I mean I haven't

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started talking about vampires yet

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happily we're gonna get there yeah we're

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just kind of giving an introduction here

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about how vampires despite you know the

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blood stuff which is kind of disgusting

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you know you've got the sex and the very

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attractive people who play vampires so

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this is something that goes on in fact

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one show that originated in your country

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called being human involves a vampire a

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ghost and a werewolf trying to just be

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like regular people

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there's an American version of the show

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right now but it became popular trying

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to be like regular people trying to

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integrate vampires into our society but

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obviously you got interested in vampires

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partly because of the high gate vampire

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that we want to understand for listeners

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who haven't followed the story but where

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did you first become curious about

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vampires or is that what were you in you

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know it's really a very long story

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I can't sort of explain in two minutes

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where did I come become interested in

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vampires I don't wish to disappoint

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anybody you know gene I've never ever

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accepted the existence of blood sucking

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vampires that is the type of vampire

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that's commercialized and you see in

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their Hollywood films well and it and in

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the British Hammer horror movie films I

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just don't think quite frankly that sort

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of being that sort of supernatural being

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exists wow this is where a lot of

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confusions coming in the past because

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while I'm a psychic investigator and I

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investigate quite a few different types

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of unexplained phenomena I've never

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accepted that commercialized type of

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vampire we really have any existence

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existence except out of the films

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outside the films of maybe Hollywood or

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as the young people want to sort of

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believe in it if you like

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as a sort of a way of life but it's

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become a cultural meme it's it's it's

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it's running roughshod over where the

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whole myth of of of em Pyrrhic type

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creature comes from and it's been

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glamorized into this this kind of glitzy

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Hollywood deal we have David France and

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we're exploring psychic phenomena and

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the Highgate vampire and other stuff

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is a friend of Don Ecker we felt that we

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should have his presence even if it's

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recorded fair enough it's fun finally

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anyone okay

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are we maybe over Amanda sizing the

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legends of vampires I mean you know we

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go back to Vlad the Impaler and

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supposedly he was a mass murderer that's

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not very romantic yes but that what you

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says actually fact I mean that's become

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established as legend I mean he was

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supposed to have put to death thousands

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upon thousands of people and impaled

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them on stakes and left them to die

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slowly and some people have argued that

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that's where the myth of the vampire

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actually came from others have sort of

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said it started with Bram Stoker but

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let's remember I mean this case these

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cases are so-called vampires and do go

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back into history I mean even in

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medieval times people actually believe

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that this vampire creatures exist

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existed on earth and they actually used

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to if someone was suspected to being a

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vampire actually used to open a coffin

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and now them into it it was almost like

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the Salem witch trials here in the

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United States they believe someone was

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a witch or a supernatural creature they

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would kill them well yes but that is it

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really yeah and then again you you could

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go on to say that that term is this

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belief well that subconscious fear of

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the unknown which includes vampires of

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course it's part of our sort of heritage

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yeah it's it's cross-cultural you'll

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find it in all all closers yeah you'll

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find it all over the world in different

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cultures whether they're so-called

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civilized or whether they're not so

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civilized but I think that instinctive

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fear of the unknown including vampires

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when including werewolves if it comes to

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that it's always been a part of human

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nature do you know I don't really think

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that that belief that fear of vampires

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werewolves the unknown in general and I

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also work included in that witchcraft

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that terrible word which I don't really

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like using good that is belief even in

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modern so-called modern times in so many

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different countries and by so many

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different cultures all over the world

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today it might have become more

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civilized that is true I mean we no

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longer burn witches in marketplaces but

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you know we think little probably

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nothing with attributing to them the

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same crimes and absurdities which they

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were accused so long ago for example if

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the crops failed in the local community

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it was all witches fault I had to find

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someone to blame and to even put in

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person or even execute so that fear I

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think has always been a part of human

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nature and I don't think fear of the

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unknown just change that drastically

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even in the so-called 21st century the

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grand active vampire or I can say there

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is that I think it includes that the

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belief in scientist is just a part of it

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it's only a fraction going back to what

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I said that I do not accept the

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existence of blood sucking vampire

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okay we're speaking in a sense here

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David of a supernatural being but what

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about a crazy person who

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tries to drink someone's blood with the

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blood of an animal gene how about the

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guy in Miami that was shot eating

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another guy's face last week I mean dang

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that's that's pretty rude well actually

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I don't even have this might surprise

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people I don't even have a television

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and I don't even buy newspapers but now

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and again I get the headlines and my AOL

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thing and I'm looking for stuff max we

731
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saw that wasn't somebody any skimped it

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but it wasn't it though a naked man on

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on some motorway had been murdered and

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they found a man attempting to eat his

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face no he had eaten his face and they

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shot him when he refused to stop towards

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the end of the of the face eating

738
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process oh I didn't actually realize

739
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that he'd actually taken the man's face

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00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:39,800
completely that's what he just

741
00:31:45,070 --> 00:31:43,250
attempting to do it no no and there is

742
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on the internet which of course somebody

743
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had to send me which don't leave much

744
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:52,610
room for interpretation no wouldn't you

745
00:32:00,030 --> 00:31:54,890
say that that is the case it was not so

746
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,040
much it supernaturally entities being I

747
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:02,960
hope not whatever supernatural entity

748
00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:04,370
that got involved in that particular

749
00:32:10,150 --> 00:32:07,670
episode I would not want to to know

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00:32:12,910 --> 00:32:10,160
about but know that was probably some

751
00:32:16,690 --> 00:32:12,920
drug-induced psychosis I would suspect

752
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:16,700
but it brings home the horror and the

753
00:32:22,350 --> 00:32:19,510
fascination that rubbernecking it the

754
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traffic accident that quality in

755
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humanity that that is titillated by

756
00:32:32,410 --> 00:32:29,180
blood by the idea of eternal youth let's

757
00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:32,420
say these are all concepts which you

758
00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:35,030
know are very very deep in the in the

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collective and I think Hollywood has

760
00:32:40,930 --> 00:32:38,570
done a very very good job and is doing

761
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:40,940
even a better job of tapping into these

762
00:32:45,820 --> 00:32:43,850
deep-seated fascinations and in in in

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00:32:47,620 --> 00:32:45,830
the collective and I think that's what

764
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we're seeing they're tapping into

765
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:51,050
age-old deep rooted archetypes in our in

766
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our collective yes they are it's all a

767
00:32:59,500 --> 00:32:56,420
part of the collective if you like human

768
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unconsciousness I mean blood has

769
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I'm probably telling you the obvious

770
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:02,330
there that blood has always been

771
00:33:07,870 --> 00:33:05,930
considered to be symbolic of the life

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00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:07,880
force ancient people used to believe

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life force was actually contained in the

774
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blood hence their souls being about

775
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:14,840
sacrifice if you shed the blood the life

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00:33:20,140 --> 00:33:17,210
force was released all the attempt

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00:33:21,610 --> 00:33:20,150
virally or in some cases permanently and

778
00:33:23,770 --> 00:33:21,620
the people that perform these rituals

779
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:23,780
thought they could have some control

780
00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:25,850
over that life force once it was

781
00:33:30,910 --> 00:33:28,430
released from the body by means of

782
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sacrifice and all that I think you have

783
00:33:36,010 --> 00:33:32,780
to take a word into account too but I

784
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think it's very important that drug has

785
00:33:41,710 --> 00:33:38,540
always been associated with the life

786
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:41,720
force of human beings right and blood is

787
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:44,000
being ritually spilled right now as we

788
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:46,610
speak every day thousands and thousands

789
00:33:51,850 --> 00:33:48,890
of animals are slaughtered which will

790
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listicle e for religious or belief

791
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,860
styled purposes yes we won't even talk

792
00:33:58,570 --> 00:33:56,480
about the millions of animals that are

793
00:34:00,610 --> 00:33:58,580
slaughtered every month for food but

794
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:00,620
yeah but yeah blood blood is

795
00:34:06,370 --> 00:34:03,290
ritualistically utilized every day all

796
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:06,380
around the world it is and he said the

797
00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:09,050
very people that have sort of been that

798
00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:10,820
to attention and the very people that go

799
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:12,590
home and have roast beef that they know

800
00:34:17,410 --> 00:34:15,200
hamburgers and roast pork or roast lamb

801
00:34:20,590 --> 00:34:17,420
all those animals have to be killed to

802
00:34:23,470 --> 00:34:20,600
satisfy sort of human need if you like

803
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:23,480
food well david are you a vegetarian or

804
00:34:30,130 --> 00:34:26,510
do you still have the hamburgers I'm not

805
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:30,140
a vegetarian I tend to avoid meat if I

806
00:34:34,780 --> 00:34:32,090
can help it but it's on me fighting for

807
00:34:36,820 --> 00:34:34,790
dinner and someone puts a cooked dinner

808
00:34:40,750 --> 00:34:36,830
in front of me we spent therefore few

809
00:34:47,380 --> 00:34:40,760
lives I related you like you steak and

810
00:34:50,410 --> 00:34:47,390
kidney pie though right I'm being

811
00:34:53,770 --> 00:34:50,420
truthful here I really don't I do try to

812
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,780
avoid meat it's not so much for moral

813
00:34:59,080 --> 00:34:56,000
reasons I'd be absolutely hypocrite if I

814
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said that because and I'm like the next

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person I've got to eat but the actual

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meaning of killing if you like animals

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I've never agreed with that and

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certainly not cruelty to animals

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- no apparent reason Herbalife doesn't

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satisfy the human appetite those kosher

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meat gene do you know do you know what

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makes me kosher

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besides being blessed by a rabbi do you

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know the actual ritual that's involved

825
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believe me I haven't read about that

826
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since I was a child which is so many

827
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centuries ago that I don't want to get

828
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too gruesome here but I mean I have

829
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heard in some of these witches I mean in

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most of them animals are killed

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obviously cows are hung that their back

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legs from there they're killed with a

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bolt I understand in some cultures who

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they actually hang the the envelope and

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the blood comes and they cut the throat

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while the animal is still alive and the

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heart is still beating the idea being

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that the that's got to be done that way

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because their heart has got pump out all

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the blood from the from the body at the

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enemy I rather not think how it's done

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and I have a hamburger and I do from

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time to time I would not choose to one

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think the process how about this gene

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here's an idea everybody who wants to be

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946
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well I have to ask whether the imitation

947
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of track though that Chris O'Brien does

948
00:41:25,390 --> 00:41:22,550
is good I know the last person who did

949
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invitation was of course than other than

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Brad stager he was here three or four

951
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:29,110
years ago he had a book out about

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vampires and I introduced him with that

953
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particular imitation

954
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well Nick Redfern tries to imitate me he

955
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tries to mock me I think would be more

956
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accurate he's mocking you yes yeah David

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I know that you don't know what the heck

958
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we're talking about let's go back to

959
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this so Chris you think that before we

960
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eat meat we got to take the three-day

961
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course after which we will all become

962
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vegetarians well in in that three-day

963
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course what we do is we see you know the

964
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whole process from the animal being

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taken from wherever it's you know

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growing up all the way through to win it

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arrives in styrofoam wrapped in in saran

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wrap in your grocery store and I'll bet

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you instantly that you could probably

970
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look at 40 to 50 percent of Americans

971
00:42:26,410 --> 00:42:24,410
becoming vegetarians now I can't I can't

972
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:26,420
talk for people in other countries but

973
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at least in America because we are so

974
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numb and so in order to to how things

975
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happen what the processes are especially

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when it comes to meat rendering meat

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preparing meat

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adding you know the the pink slime the

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ammonia no the other things that go into

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me to keep it fresh for longer so it

981
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doesn't spoil become you know a bad

982
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investment I think the people went

983
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through a three-day course like that

984
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that it instantly 50 60 % of America

985
00:42:57,490 --> 00:42:56,180
would probably become vegetarian a lot

986
00:42:59,320 --> 00:42:57,500
of people will be out of work as a

987
00:43:01,840 --> 00:42:59,330
result but we're not going to get into

988
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,850
the meat industry that's beyond what

989
00:43:06,460 --> 00:43:03,440
we're doing let me just ask you in a

990
00:43:09,010 --> 00:43:06,470
peripheral sense we understand the

991
00:43:10,690 --> 00:43:09,020
romanticism of vampires David we'll ask

992
00:43:12,460 --> 00:43:10,700
you what the Highgate vampire is all

993
00:43:14,890 --> 00:43:12,470
about in a moment but what about

994
00:43:16,510 --> 00:43:14,900
werewolves do we just want to have the

995
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ability to change ourselves into

996
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something else what I'm sorry

997
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:22,010
sorry to be disappointing I'm afraid I

998
00:43:27,099 --> 00:43:24,049
believe in werewolves even listened I do

999
00:43:29,020 --> 00:43:27,109
in vampires Jean I'm not saying that

1000
00:43:30,660 --> 00:43:29,030
they were not obviously I'm telling you

1001
00:43:33,069 --> 00:43:30,670
the obvious here that there are not

1002
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physical ailments which could have

1003
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caused people to believe people were

1004
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:40,280
werewolves in in times gone by I mean

1005
00:43:45,099 --> 00:43:42,650
you really look at the the case of the

1006
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,109
Elephant Man which is quite wrong I mean

1007
00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:47,119
it's not quite the same thing but people

1008
00:43:54,819 --> 00:43:50,390
were born deformed something terribly

1009
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,829
deformed and you know that that could be

1010
00:44:01,329 --> 00:43:56,720
another main reason how he saw is about

1011
00:44:05,049 --> 00:44:01,339
where Bulls started to become got into

1012
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:05,059
circulation it was a lack of medical

1013
00:44:11,140 --> 00:44:08,089
understanding but if if you asking me if

1014
00:44:15,460 --> 00:44:11,150
I believe that can men or kind of man or

1015
00:44:17,140 --> 00:44:15,470
one change into a wolf or a she-wolf no

1016
00:44:23,530 --> 00:44:17,150
I'm afraid I don't accept that

1017
00:44:26,049 --> 00:44:23,540
I don't think it's possible I'm just

1018
00:44:32,140 --> 00:44:26,059
trying to explain that I don't believe

1019
00:44:34,510 --> 00:44:32,150
it's possible for a wolf to change into

1020
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:34,520
a human being or vice versa rather a

1021
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:37,520
human being turned to wolf I believe

1022
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:40,130
it's a physical impossibility and again

1023
00:44:44,589 --> 00:44:42,049
I can say that it's probably down to

1024
00:44:47,799 --> 00:44:44,599
lack of medical understanding at least

1025
00:44:51,970 --> 00:44:47,809
in the olden times about what really

1026
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:51,980
caused this these deformities so it was

1027
00:44:57,069 --> 00:44:55,130
all about deformities as opposed to the

1028
00:44:59,230 --> 00:44:57,079
belief is someone whose normal will

1029
00:45:01,420 --> 00:44:59,240
change into another creature are there

1030
00:45:03,039 --> 00:45:01,430
are legends of shapeshifters though when

1031
00:45:06,750 --> 00:45:03,049
you look into tricksters and things like

1032
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:06,760
that Chris yes there are in fact there

1033
00:45:12,460 --> 00:45:10,609
there are people today that are being

1034
00:45:14,770 --> 00:45:12,470
accused of being able to shape-shift

1035
00:45:17,230 --> 00:45:14,780
into animal forms on the southwest

1036
00:45:22,180 --> 00:45:17,240
Indian reservations I recently attended

1037
00:45:24,430 --> 00:45:22,190
to talk by two Navajo Rangers and they

1038
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,440
described a couple of cases that were

1039
00:45:29,010 --> 00:45:26,720
quite mind-bending in terms of people

1040
00:45:31,569 --> 00:45:29,020
being shot

1041
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:31,579
originally the it's an animal that shot

1042
00:45:36,510 --> 00:45:33,310
in in one case a coyote

1043
00:45:39,810 --> 00:45:36,520
and when the when the rancher goes out

1044
00:45:41,550 --> 00:45:39,820
there he finds a human and there's track

1045
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:41,560
evidence there's physical evidence that

1046
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:44,610
suggests that shape-shifting is a

1047
00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:47,520
possibility at least in the eyes of

1048
00:45:53,010 --> 00:45:50,860
indigenous law enforcement so we can't

1049
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:53,020
totally discount the possibility I think

1050
00:45:57,150 --> 00:45:54,850
at this point based on the body of

1051
00:45:59,490 --> 00:45:57,160
evidence it is out there but I agree

1052
00:46:02,900 --> 00:45:59,500
with David that most of these legends

1053
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:02,910
and and you know these tapping into two

1054
00:46:07,170 --> 00:46:05,110
archetypal fears and that sort of thing

1055
00:46:10,650 --> 00:46:07,180
I think have evolved from a place of

1056
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:10,660
ignorance in a place of of you know non

1057
00:46:16,770 --> 00:46:14,110
rational thinking well what Chris had

1058
00:46:19,730 --> 00:46:16,780
you said that that's exactly what I was

1059
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:19,740
saying yeah it's a sort of and I old

1060
00:46:25,470 --> 00:46:23,770
misunderstood belief that that's all but

1061
00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:25,480
there's a physical as an actual reason

1062
00:46:29,970 --> 00:46:27,310
forward and I don't believe we should

1063
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,980
automatically just it could be something

1064
00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:31,680
supernatural to it

1065
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:34,990
speaking of what is er it is not

1066
00:46:42,750 --> 00:46:38,560
supernatural who or what is or was the

1067
00:46:45,180 --> 00:46:42,760
Highgate vampire uh well that's a loaded

1068
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:45,190
question but okay that's what we're here

1069
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:47,130
for another way loaded questions David

1070
00:46:51,810 --> 00:46:49,930
okay I'll tell you what it was not it

1071
00:46:54,510 --> 00:46:51,820
certainly was not a blood sucking

1072
00:47:01,350 --> 00:46:58,020
there was an unexplained phenomena which

1073
00:47:04,650 --> 00:47:01,360
had been cited by many local people over

1074
00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:04,660
the course of a few years at in and

1075
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:06,070
around Highgate Cemetery

1076
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:09,010
not only in Highgate Cemetery itself but

1077
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:11,410
in the old ancient lane that runs

1078
00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:13,450
alongside the cemetery called Swain's

1079
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:18,280
Lane and a few of the old coaching Inns

1080
00:47:23,310 --> 00:47:21,040
in Highgate village where the same

1081
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:23,320
figure had been sighted on different

1082
00:47:27,810 --> 00:47:26,050
occasions by different people all these

1083
00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:27,820
sightings were independent they were all

1084
00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:32,590
reported and but that was sort of the

1085
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,220
crux if you like the heart of the the

1086
00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:38,160
sightings seem to be Highgate Cemetery

1087
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:41,710
in the late sixties I'm going back now

1088
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:46,130
to about 68 reports started to come in

1089
00:47:51,839 --> 00:47:49,250
this tool dark figure sometimes it was

1090
00:47:54,249 --> 00:47:51,849
reported this having hypnotic weird eyes

1091
00:47:59,019 --> 00:47:54,259
by many different people who saw

1092
00:48:02,370 --> 00:47:59,029
independently usually around the

1093
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:02,380
catacombs in Highgate Cemetery itself

1094
00:48:06,819 --> 00:48:04,609
I'm trying to summarize it really

1095
00:48:09,249 --> 00:48:06,829
quickly dissipation it far too numerous

1096
00:48:11,769 --> 00:48:09,259
dimensional in detail but basically the

1097
00:48:13,509 --> 00:48:11,779
figure would appear in front of

1098
00:48:16,539 --> 00:48:13,519
unsuspecting people who weren't

1099
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:16,549
expecting to see it there will be drops

1100
00:48:24,130 --> 00:48:22,160
in temperature and some people even

1101
00:48:26,529 --> 00:48:24,140
reported that there felt as though they

1102
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:26,539
were being hypnotized once they actually

1103
00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:29,690
looked up and saw the the apparition

1104
00:48:34,749 --> 00:48:32,420
itself it sounds like a ghost doesn't it

1105
00:48:41,769 --> 00:48:34,759
oh yeah yes it will be at a very

1106
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:41,779
maligned one sounds like Bela Lugosi no

1107
00:48:48,809 --> 00:48:45,920
I think he's dead by this time no let's

1108
00:48:51,130 --> 00:48:48,819
say he goes he officially died in 1956

1109
00:48:53,769 --> 00:48:51,140
during the filming of one of the worst

1110
00:48:57,059 --> 00:48:53,779
films ever called plan 9 from outer

1111
00:48:59,859 --> 00:48:57,069
space oh yeah that's a classic isn't it

1112
00:49:02,470 --> 00:48:59,869
I've never seen plan 9 from outer space

1113
00:49:05,289 --> 00:49:02,480
I think I've seen a couple of clips yeah

1114
00:49:08,799 --> 00:49:05,299
so basically the they showed Lugosi

1115
00:49:12,130 --> 00:49:08,809
playing this old man who would be using

1116
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:12,140
the his cape and covering his eyes like

1117
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,450
a vampire and then when he died they

1118
00:49:18,910 --> 00:49:16,400
hired somebody else who sort of looked

1119
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,920
like him to continue to play the role

1120
00:49:21,970 --> 00:49:20,480
the filming continued after he died

1121
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:21,980
doesn't matter if one of your stars is

1122
00:49:26,049 --> 00:49:24,079
dead that's how it goes we'll have

1123
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:26,059
somebody else play the role okay so

1124
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:29,890
alright so they're seeing this

1125
00:49:36,849 --> 00:49:32,690
individual creature apparition at the

1126
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:36,859
Highgate Cemetery is it just something

1127
00:49:44,799 --> 00:49:40,250
that just moves around or what whatever

1128
00:49:48,220 --> 00:49:44,809
that you used to appear all their sudden

1129
00:49:51,549 --> 00:49:48,230
in frontal behind okay okay so you're

1130
00:49:52,809 --> 00:49:51,559
just looking and there it is well they

1131
00:49:55,509 --> 00:49:52,819
weren't expecting it that's the whole

1132
00:49:57,339 --> 00:49:55,519
point and but it would appear yes there

1133
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:57,349
any apparently reason without any

1134
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:00,079
apparent cause now once they saw him

1135
00:50:04,289 --> 00:50:03,200
a stationary thing or entity or did it

1136
00:50:07,539 --> 00:50:04,299
move around

1137
00:50:11,049 --> 00:50:07,549
no it wasn't often reported just moving

1138
00:50:12,910 --> 00:50:11,059
but it certainly was reported as just

1139
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:12,920
disappearing quite suddenly after it had

1140
00:50:19,449 --> 00:50:16,130
been sighted and it's almost as if this

1141
00:50:22,509 --> 00:50:19,459
entity whether it was wanted people to

1142
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:22,519
be aware of its presence however as I

1143
00:50:27,130 --> 00:50:24,890
said to you some people even got the

1144
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:27,140
impression that would try to be trying

1145
00:50:31,859 --> 00:50:30,049
to be manipulated now when I say

1146
00:50:35,799 --> 00:50:31,869
manipulated I mean psychically

1147
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:35,809
manipulated one man even reported that

1148
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:37,609
she said who's being hypnotized so that

1149
00:50:43,209 --> 00:50:40,390
this ghost if you like the separation

1150
00:50:46,209 --> 00:50:43,219
was somehow trying to take possession of

1151
00:50:49,390 --> 00:50:46,219
him and it was all cases like this that

1152
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:49,400
really made me and other members of the

1153
00:50:54,759 --> 00:50:51,410
British psychic and the God Society back

1154
00:50:57,309 --> 00:50:54,769
in 668 they're trying to look into the

1155
00:51:00,249 --> 00:50:57,319
matter further now okay this is very

1156
00:51:02,259 --> 00:51:00,259
interesting trying to possess you or

1157
00:51:04,569 --> 00:51:02,269
something like that obviously it gets to

1158
00:51:06,819 --> 00:51:04,579
be pretty freaky and I'm going to want

1159
00:51:08,709 --> 00:51:06,829
to ask you more about that let's take a

1160
00:51:10,180 --> 00:51:08,719
few seconds to pull this off if you want

1161
00:51:12,759 --> 00:51:10,190
to get in touch with us there several

1162
00:51:14,589 --> 00:51:12,769
ways one is to write us news if the

1163
00:51:18,219 --> 00:51:14,599
power cast come once again that's news

1164
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1166
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1167
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1169
00:51:38,219 --> 00:51:31,999
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1170
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1187
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1188
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1189
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1190
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1191
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1192
00:52:30,429 --> 00:52:28,549
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1193
00:52:31,870 --> 00:52:30,439
capitalism was Jefferson correct when

1194
00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:31,880
stating a central bank issuing the

1195
00:52:34,659 --> 00:52:33,529
public currency is a greater menace to

1196
00:52:36,429 --> 00:52:34,669
the liberties of the people than a

1197
00:52:37,569 --> 00:52:36,439
standing army Ted Anderson I'm placing a

1198
00:52:39,579 --> 00:52:37,579
free silver dollar in a book that

1199
00:52:41,679 --> 00:52:39,589
explains our monetary system call for

1200
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:41,689
your copy 800 six eight six two two

1201
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:43,369
three seven it's time to understand the

1202
00:52:49,730 --> 00:52:47,839
system call 866 to 237 that's 800 686 to

1203
00:52:55,740 --> 00:52:49,740
237

1204
00:53:03,750 --> 00:52:59,440
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1205
00:53:08,770 --> 00:53:03,760
standard of paranormal radio and now

1206
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:08,780
here's Jean Steinberg David Ferrand

1207
00:53:14,290 --> 00:53:10,850
joins Jean and Chris we're talking about

1208
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:14,300
his psychic research mentioning of

1209
00:53:18,820 --> 00:53:17,210
course the Highgate vampire now in a

1210
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:18,830
sense of trying to possess something

1211
00:53:24,190 --> 00:53:21,650
else David another person do they feel

1212
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:24,200
that something was taken control of

1213
00:53:28,510 --> 00:53:26,510
their mind why do they feel there was

1214
00:53:30,580 --> 00:53:28,520
some kind of possession going on or

1215
00:53:32,830 --> 00:53:30,590
attempted possession we don't know the

1216
00:53:34,810 --> 00:53:32,840
reason why Jean as a psychic

1217
00:53:37,210 --> 00:53:34,820
investigates the first thing I always do

1218
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:37,220
in cases like this and there's been many

1219
00:53:42,250 --> 00:53:39,520
other cases it's just that that case got

1220
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:42,260
was to get slightly out of hand but

1221
00:53:46,660 --> 00:53:44,930
anyway the first thing we do is to try

1222
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:46,670
and find some logical logical

1223
00:53:51,070 --> 00:53:49,609
explanation for these sightings and it's

1224
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:51,080
not only and I get so much when these

1225
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:52,850
have occurred all over the country not

1226
00:53:58,170 --> 00:53:54,530
necessarily the same figure they're

1227
00:54:03,190 --> 00:53:58,180
similar figures and often we do find an

1228
00:54:06,490 --> 00:54:03,200
illogical material explanation there are

1229
00:54:08,770 --> 00:54:06,500
only only two aware of this of this the

1230
00:54:10,990 --> 00:54:08,780
power of human mind especially in a dark

1231
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:11,000
night with shadows blowing in the moon

1232
00:54:17,170 --> 00:54:14,720
night and a cold wind blowing the mind

1233
00:54:20,349 --> 00:54:17,180
can play tricks on people and it's very

1234
00:54:23,140 --> 00:54:20,359
easy to sort of imagine that in these

1235
00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:23,150
sort of supernatural entities when ever

1236
00:54:27,130 --> 00:54:24,980
said there might be some not logical

1237
00:54:29,020 --> 00:54:27,140
explanations for them I guess under

1238
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:29,030
those circumstances you're in a cemetery

1239
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:31,730
yes night certainly in your country

1240
00:54:36,310 --> 00:54:34,880
tends to be damp and rainy yeah I'd be

1241
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:36,320
frightened I don't care what's there

1242
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:40,850
yeah and also I get symmetry now - well

1243
00:54:46,210 --> 00:54:43,760
then it was open to the general public

1244
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:46,220
in the daytime that is the other day

1245
00:54:50,590 --> 00:54:48,530
that ugly place door opens about 10

1246
00:54:52,330 --> 00:54:50,600
o'clock in the morning and it used to

1247
00:54:55,150 --> 00:54:52,340
close when it started to get dark at

1248
00:54:56,980 --> 00:54:55,160
night four or five o'clock but it was

1249
00:55:00,760 --> 00:54:56,990
open and people could wander in the

1250
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:00,770
cemetery in daylight in daylight hours

1251
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:02,510
and the loss of these sightings actually

1252
00:55:07,420 --> 00:55:04,310
occurred within Highgate Cemetery

1253
00:55:07,970 --> 00:55:07,430
before it got dark there was one man

1254
00:55:10,910 --> 00:55:07,980
there

1255
00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:10,920
his name I ain't er viewed him and his

1256
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:13,710
name's Taunton he actually had gone into

1257
00:55:18,620 --> 00:55:15,930
Highgate Cemetery and it's a beautiful

1258
00:55:21,230 --> 00:55:18,630
old place leaving aside the vandalism

1259
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:21,240
the more serious desecration that was

1260
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:24,240
going on there at their time and he got

1261
00:55:28,700 --> 00:55:26,850
hopelessly lost because that the

1262
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:28,710
cemetery in those days was very very

1263
00:55:33,950 --> 00:55:31,290
over ground overgrown even the main

1264
00:55:35,780 --> 00:55:33,960
paths sometimes it was difficult to know

1265
00:55:38,750 --> 00:55:35,790
what are you going and he could easy one

1266
00:55:40,190 --> 00:55:38,760
draw a path and he got sort of lost in

1267
00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:40,200
the middle of the cemetery now he heard

1268
00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:42,420
the Bell going today stirring this big

1269
00:55:48,290 --> 00:55:44,910
old Victorian Bell at the main gate of

1270
00:55:50,570 --> 00:55:48,300
the century and is warning to for people

1271
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:50,580
to leave they were closing Easter can

1272
00:55:56,090 --> 00:55:52,500
about half an hour to leave the cemetery

1273
00:55:58,370 --> 00:55:56,100
and he he didn't know where he was but

1274
00:56:00,260 --> 00:55:58,380
he thought the best way he he could

1275
00:56:03,170 --> 00:56:00,270
leave was to make his way towards the

1276
00:56:06,109 --> 00:56:03,180
sound of the Bell would she started to

1277
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:06,119
do and in the clearing this was

1278
00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:08,810
somewhere in the north of the cemetery

1279
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:11,670
in a clearing music he was trying to

1280
00:56:17,150 --> 00:56:14,730
find a main path again he suddenly froze

1281
00:56:19,970 --> 00:56:17,160
yeah be overwhelming sensation was

1282
00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:19,980
something behind him and it was it

1283
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:21,900
stopped him in his tracks and he swung

1284
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:25,530
around and he saw what he described as a

1285
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:29,520
tall dark figure with hypnotic eyes he

1286
00:56:35,090 --> 00:56:30,810
couldn't really make out of his face but

1287
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:35,100
he could certainly make out as he

1288
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:35,970
described it

1289
00:56:44,660 --> 00:56:39,119
psychic eyes he and he felt it was

1290
00:56:46,849 --> 00:56:44,670
trying to hypnotize him and before he

1291
00:56:49,370 --> 00:56:46,859
even realized what was happening really

1292
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:49,380
realized that much the figure just all

1293
00:56:52,849 --> 00:56:50,850
disappeared it wasn't there

1294
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:52,859
it's rather than if you looking at a

1295
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:54,330
television picture and all of a sudden

1296
00:56:59,599 --> 00:56:57,420
someone decides to turn turn off the

1297
00:57:02,870 --> 00:56:59,609
screen it was gone and he noticed that

1298
00:57:06,980 --> 00:57:02,880
the whole area and decidedly colder and

1299
00:57:08,990 --> 00:57:06,990
it was and it really freaked him out and

1300
00:57:11,570 --> 00:57:09,000
the interesting point is here that that

1301
00:57:14,810 --> 00:57:11,580
man was actually by profession he was an

1302
00:57:16,250 --> 00:57:14,820
accountant the only reason I mentioned

1303
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:16,260
that is because he'd gone into the

1304
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:18,330
cemetery not expecting to see any ghosts

1305
00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:19,210
or anything

1306
00:57:25,799 --> 00:57:22,710
but is he he worked not far away in

1307
00:57:29,370 --> 00:57:25,809
Highgate Village I believe and he gone

1308
00:57:33,210 --> 00:57:29,380
in there and his sort of late afternoon

1309
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:33,220
and he was really interested in the or

1310
00:57:38,849 --> 00:57:37,210
Victorian architecture and if you like

1311
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:38,859
he'd gone there as a sightseer he wasn't

1312
00:57:48,210 --> 00:57:43,410
expecting to see this this figure and I

1313
00:57:50,970 --> 00:57:48,220
want to see this person and he he does

1314
00:57:54,299 --> 00:57:50,980
actually adamant that he described his

1315
00:57:55,770 --> 00:57:54,309
experience to me and he he said well I

1316
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:55,780
know what I saw but I really can't

1317
00:57:59,790 --> 00:57:57,760
believe it I can't accept it

1318
00:58:02,069 --> 00:57:59,800
he'd never believed in he'd never

1319
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:02,079
believed in ghosts before as I said he

1320
00:58:05,730 --> 00:58:03,970
was an accountant as a man far more

1321
00:58:08,030 --> 00:58:05,740
interested in facts and figures and

1322
00:58:10,260 --> 00:58:08,040
mathematical equations than that and

1323
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:10,270
he's one of the first people I

1324
00:58:18,420 --> 00:58:15,040
interviewed back in very early 69 or say

1325
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:18,430
68 and his experience convinced me that

1326
00:58:23,099 --> 00:58:21,520
was something was in fact there was

1327
00:58:24,750 --> 00:58:23,109
something in all these local stories

1328
00:58:27,839 --> 00:58:24,760
about a ghost that was haunting target

1329
00:58:31,770 --> 00:58:27,849
symmetry there were other sightings too

1330
00:58:34,289 --> 00:58:31,780
and people I went to interview I've got

1331
00:58:36,809 --> 00:58:34,299
the names I put them on record and I

1332
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:36,819
still have them on record somewhere and

1333
00:58:42,750 --> 00:58:39,490
it was that much really decided me for

1334
00:58:46,010 --> 00:58:42,760
hours to conduct a sort of investigation

1335
00:58:48,030 --> 00:58:46,020
into these sightings at the cemetery and

1336
00:58:53,609 --> 00:58:48,040
that's where all the trouble really

1337
00:58:58,620 --> 00:58:53,619
started from because I should add the

1338
00:59:01,020 --> 00:58:58,630
term in December 1969 I actually paid a

1339
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:01,030
visit to Highgate Cemetery myself and

1340
00:59:07,250 --> 00:59:04,569
again I was looking for some logical

1341
00:59:10,890 --> 00:59:07,260
explanations got that family that foxes

1342
00:59:12,299 --> 00:59:10,900
breeding in that and I get cemetery and

1343
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:12,309
I thought it could have been an animal

1344
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that someone in this Boston at all I

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00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:16,020
thought failing that it could have been

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the moon crossed in the shadow in tree

1347
00:59:23,130 --> 00:59:20,770
branches which were giving distorted

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00:59:25,650 --> 00:59:23,140
shapes in twins Lane I actually saw this

1349
00:59:29,380 --> 00:59:25,660
figure myself extending just inside the

1350
00:59:32,130 --> 00:59:29,390
top gate of Highgate Cemetery and it was

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00:59:34,779 --> 00:59:32,140
it appeared to be about seven feet tall

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00:59:37,299 --> 00:59:34,789
and it was looked like it was wearing

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00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:37,309
some sort of cloak and it was standing

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00:59:43,229 --> 00:59:40,329
as I said just inside the top gate and

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00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:43,239
so it was like it like a shadow person I

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don't know how he described it but it

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was fairly others at that time I

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00:59:54,699 --> 00:59:51,799
actually thought it in the few seconds

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00:59:56,709 --> 00:59:54,709
before I actually thought it was

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somebody dressed up he was trying to

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fight and pass us by because by this

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01:00:04,900 --> 01:00:03,109
kind defender 69 they did all these

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01:00:06,430 --> 01:00:04,910
ridiculous stories about the figure

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01:00:08,349 --> 01:00:06,440
could be a vampire because of the

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hypnotic eyes in all this food so that's

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01:00:14,199 --> 01:00:10,969
where the vampire thing came to for here

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that's quite sure okay it was the

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hypnotic eyes and possibly the

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possession because vampires suppose the

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so strange that you do such a bad accent

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I'm not sure if you're talking to me

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okay then no your accent is great it's

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Chris's accent that we have to argue but

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01:00:40,509 --> 01:00:36,079
then I can't do any better so I

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shouldn't say anything but the point

1376
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being is that what it looked like is

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what it supposedly did is what caused

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people to think ah vampire

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yeah that's it exactly Jane and what

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happened was because of that and local

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stories started circulating by certain

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01:01:01,029 --> 01:00:58,729
people that it had to be a vampire and

1383
01:01:03,969 --> 01:01:01,039
it got more and more exaggerated and

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before you knew it I say relatively

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harmless phenomena phenomenon ghost

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being transformed into this non-existent

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monitoring in this case since the late

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60s how many people in you know we're

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01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:26,660
talking 40-plus years how many people

1390
01:01:31,170 --> 01:01:29,089
have reported something in Highgate

1391
01:01:36,029 --> 01:01:31,180
Cemetery that you could lump into a

1392
01:01:38,999 --> 01:01:36,039
category that might fit this particular

1393
01:01:42,009 --> 01:01:39,009
aberration seven-foot-tall cloaked

1394
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:42,019
hypnotic eyes how many people have

1395
01:01:45,490 --> 01:01:43,040
actually reported

1396
01:01:48,070 --> 01:01:45,500
something like that it's very difficult

1397
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:48,080
to put in actual numbers and also you

1398
01:01:53,860 --> 01:01:50,000
have to remember the love of the reports

1399
01:01:56,410 --> 01:01:53,870
we got we're not actually of sightings

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but there were people these have strange

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experiences when they when they went

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walk down Swain's Lane without even

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going into the cemetery for example not

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only ignited in in the afternoons when

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mobile phones were suddenly explicably

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cut out even though the batteries are

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fully charged the same thing that

1408
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happened with old cameras people went

1409
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there with cameras and the batteries are

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fully charged and other people reported

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sensing a dark cloud all around the

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propagating Highgate Cemetery

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many people reported having a sensitive

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forums for David Ferrand and not

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necessarily about Highgate when we get

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past the Highgate sir we'll go into

1513
01:07:27,010 --> 01:07:25,670
other stuff so despite the fact that

1514
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:27,020
this was a ghost and not a vampire

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01:07:33,490 --> 01:07:31,010
people want to call it a vampire yes yes

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01:07:36,580 --> 01:07:33,500
they did I suppose because the vampires

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01:07:39,010 --> 01:07:36,590
was more romantic feel like the word and

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01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:39,020
because quality of the people that tried

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01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:41,090
to cash in on this which we're trying to

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01:07:47,020 --> 01:07:44,330
do it means of self publicity there were

1521
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:47,030
so many uh there's one person I could

1522
01:07:50,650 --> 01:07:48,770
mention actually because he was in the

1523
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:50,660
front page of those of the local

1524
01:07:54,460 --> 01:07:52,250
newspaper with the picture of himself

1525
01:07:57,130 --> 01:07:54,470
and he was named in the paper and that

1526
01:07:58,990 --> 01:07:57,140
was a guy called Barry Edwards I can't

1527
01:08:03,280 --> 01:07:59,000
remember the exact month I think it was

1528
01:08:05,820 --> 01:08:03,290
him in it in the spring of 1970 he was

1529
01:08:09,820 --> 01:08:05,830
one of those that tried to cash in and

1530
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:09,830
he said that he was he was a member of a

1531
01:08:17,020 --> 01:08:12,890
small semi club called the depth no no

1532
01:08:18,970 --> 01:08:17,030
sorry the Hellfire fire club or

1533
01:08:23,340 --> 01:08:18,980
something and they were making a film on

1534
01:08:25,690 --> 01:08:23,350
the so called vampire the Hellfire Club

1535
01:08:28,270 --> 01:08:25,700
Benjamin Franklin if I remember

1536
01:08:33,540 --> 01:08:28,280
correctly was initiated as a Hellfire

1537
01:08:36,130 --> 01:08:33,550
member back in I think the early 1770s

1538
01:08:38,829 --> 01:08:36,140
yeah that's right I'm sorry I wasn't

1539
01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:38,839
actually talking about the Hellfire okay

1540
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:42,319
so in West Wycombe I'm saying that this

1541
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:44,000
is what this group of people called

1542
01:08:48,820 --> 01:08:46,730
themselves I don't believe there is any

1543
01:08:52,510 --> 01:08:48,830
real connection with the genuine self

1544
01:08:54,700 --> 01:08:52,520
our group they were just a sort of this

1545
01:08:56,730 --> 01:08:54,710
group of curious students who had gone

1546
01:09:00,250 --> 01:08:56,740
to Highgate Cemetery to make a film and

1547
01:09:02,829 --> 01:09:00,260
he said no this figure was really I was

1548
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:02,839
filming in the cemetery and it was us

1549
01:09:07,630 --> 01:09:04,850
and he could on the front page of the

1550
01:09:09,190 --> 01:09:07,640
Hampstead and Highgate Express he was

1551
01:09:12,010 --> 01:09:09,200
one of the people that tried to cash in

1552
01:09:13,989 --> 01:09:12,020
on that because of course when people

1553
01:09:17,079 --> 01:09:13,999
reporting the figure

1554
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:17,089
there were no signs of any lights or

1555
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:19,279
there were no sound of any voices which

1556
01:09:24,219 --> 01:09:21,920
had it been a film crew even a small one

1557
01:09:25,959 --> 01:09:24,229
that they would have had to attract that

1558
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:25,969
sort of attention to themselves

1559
01:09:31,149 --> 01:09:28,489
and I said at the time it's extremely

1560
01:09:34,209 --> 01:09:31,159
unlikely that the people making that

1561
01:09:36,819 --> 01:09:34,219
film if indeed they were making it even

1562
01:09:38,529 --> 01:09:36,829
at the same time as the sightings it

1563
01:09:40,959 --> 01:09:38,539
could be anything to do with the genuine

1564
01:09:43,719 --> 01:09:40,969
sightings which have been sort of

1565
01:09:46,209 --> 01:09:43,729
witnessed by local people as I said he

1566
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:46,219
was one of them or rather his group of

1567
01:09:51,819 --> 01:09:48,799
one of them one of the small groups to

1568
01:09:53,769 --> 01:09:51,829
tried to cash in on it and more to get

1569
01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:53,779
publicity for their film I suppose on

1570
01:09:58,930 --> 01:09:55,369
whatever happened to their film I don't

1571
01:10:02,049 --> 01:09:58,940
know but some that I just given you one

1572
01:10:05,770 --> 01:10:02,059
example of people that try to cash in

1573
01:10:06,430 --> 01:10:05,780
one yeah it kind of goes with the

1574
01:10:10,060 --> 01:10:06,440
territory

1575
01:10:13,089 --> 01:10:10,070
I mean Dulce here in America would be

1576
01:10:15,700 --> 01:10:13,099
another example of you know an ongoing

1577
01:10:18,879 --> 01:10:15,710
scenario that's tenuous at best that

1578
01:10:22,270 --> 01:10:18,889
people try to attach some new you know

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salacious story or new development in

1580
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the promulgation or pop what propagation

1581
01:10:34,569 --> 01:10:31,280
I think of a myth yeah it's it becomes a

1582
01:10:36,969 --> 01:10:34,579
snowball rolling down a hill and it's

1583
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:36,979
kind of hard to separate the wheat from

1584
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:39,050
the chaff or the signal from a noise as

1585
01:10:43,509 --> 01:10:41,360
we try to do here around the pair cast

1586
01:10:45,879 --> 01:10:43,519
but one of the things that I'm

1587
01:10:49,109 --> 01:10:45,889
interested in is the actual geography of

1588
01:10:51,790 --> 01:10:49,119
the region what are we looking at

1589
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:51,800
geologically here first of all how big

1590
01:10:57,450 --> 01:10:55,010
is you know the the Highgate Cemetery

1591
01:10:59,649 --> 01:10:57,460
and the region around it where these

1592
01:11:01,810 --> 01:10:59,659
reports seem to be centered what are we

1593
01:11:05,890 --> 01:11:01,820
talking about is about a quarter square

1594
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:05,900
mile half a square mile I think we're

1595
01:11:09,370 --> 01:11:08,239
probably talking about a quarter of a

1596
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:09,380
square mile

1597
01:11:16,330 --> 01:11:12,530
hi small it's a small it's a relatively

1598
01:11:18,969 --> 01:11:16,340
small very targeted area that we're

1599
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:18,979
talking about yeah I mean I'm guessing

1600
01:11:22,330 --> 01:11:20,449
it could be slightly bigger than that

1601
01:11:25,180 --> 01:11:22,340
but I get so much was originally opened

1602
01:11:27,370 --> 01:11:25,190
in 1838

1603
01:11:29,650 --> 01:11:27,380
and it was built

1604
01:11:33,250 --> 01:11:29,660
on the grounds there was an old manor

1605
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:33,260
house there called ash with Nana and

1606
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:34,970
Highgate Cemetery as it is now used to

1607
01:11:41,050 --> 01:11:37,370
form it is all sort of built on a very

1608
01:11:42,700 --> 01:11:41,060
gradual hill but Highgate Cemetery where

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01:11:45,070 --> 01:11:42,710
the graves are now used to be part of

1610
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:45,080
the gardens of this old manor house that

1611
01:11:51,790 --> 01:11:49,760
the house was demolished and a church

1612
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:51,800
was built I think that Michael's church

1613
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:53,690
was built about the same time as the

1614
01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:55,520
demolition which is now stand at the

1615
01:12:00,910 --> 01:11:58,010
back of Highgate Cemetery but originally

1616
01:12:02,580 --> 01:12:00,920
I guess Ellis who used to be on the

1617
01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:02,590
grounds of this ancient manor house

1618
01:12:07,900 --> 01:12:05,510
which is long since been demolished well

1619
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:07,910
what kind of historical data do we have

1620
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:11,690
about about the manor house you know the

1621
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:14,480
lineage or family that occupied that

1622
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:16,850
property is there are there any sort of

1623
01:12:22,810 --> 01:12:19,610
hints that might suggest something you

1624
01:12:25,540 --> 01:12:22,820
know that old that might be at work or

1625
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:25,550
you know somehow responsible for the

1626
01:12:28,660 --> 01:12:26,810
apparition or do you think the

1627
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:28,670
apparition is something that is sprung

1628
01:12:33,550 --> 01:12:30,890
up after the cemetery was put in in the

1629
01:12:36,940 --> 01:12:33,560
garden area I feel personally that I'm

1630
01:12:40,030 --> 01:12:36,950
not an historian but I I do know our

1631
01:12:41,500 --> 01:12:40,040
names and record I might be look please

1632
01:12:43,390 --> 01:12:41,510
don't quote me I think it was Lord Ashe

1633
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:43,400
with and I think the house was named

1634
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:46,010
after him and there were stories legends

1635
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:48,050
around that on the actual manor house

1636
01:12:53,170 --> 01:12:50,210
itself was actually haunted there's no

1637
01:12:55,750 --> 01:12:53,180
proof to back that up but I mean that is

1638
01:12:58,240 --> 01:12:55,760
the common belief and this just gave

1639
01:13:01,300 --> 01:12:58,250
further weight to the stories about I

1640
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:01,310
guess so now as far as highgate cemetery

1641
01:13:06,730 --> 01:13:04,880
is concerned is this still a place where

1642
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:06,740
people are being buried or is it just

1643
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:08,330
whatever's there is there no I

1644
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:10,130
understand that you can still be buried

1645
01:13:15,930 --> 01:13:12,890
in Highgate Cemetery today that if you

1646
01:13:19,690 --> 01:13:15,940
can afford it oh this is the upper-class

1647
01:13:22,690 --> 01:13:19,700
Cemetery yeah yeah so therefore this

1648
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:22,700
vampire is a rich vampire that's what

1649
01:13:26,590 --> 01:13:24,560
the speculation has always been yes he

1650
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:26,600
came from an upper-class family I

1651
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:29,210
believe it was in Romania and the

1652
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:31,970
stories went that he was he was a

1653
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:34,810
vampire at the time and his followers

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01:13:40,270 --> 01:13:37,730
transported him to England they landed

1655
01:13:41,020 --> 01:13:40,280
at Whitby good ol Whitby happy new

1656
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:41,030
Yorkshire

1657
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:43,330
well it sounds like bram stoker uh

1658
01:13:49,180 --> 01:13:46,570
somehow inspired by this particular

1659
01:13:51,790 --> 01:13:49,190
scenario now is it the legend of Bram

1660
01:13:55,420 --> 01:13:51,800
Stoker though that he wrote Dracula to

1661
01:13:57,100 --> 01:13:55,430
conceal his own life as someone who was

1662
01:14:00,820 --> 01:13:57,110
cheating on his wife at night and

1663
01:14:04,300 --> 01:14:00,830
therefore was this romantic traveler of

1664
01:14:06,730 --> 01:14:04,310
the evening who was attractive to women

1665
01:14:09,420 --> 01:14:06,740
I'm not too sure about that dreams I do

1666
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:09,430
know for a fact and it's very probable

1667
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:12,170
Graham Stoker actually mentions Highgate

1668
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:12,800
Cemetery

1669
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:16,640
or at least an area in very close

1670
01:14:21,310 --> 01:14:18,890
proximity Highgate Cemetery in his book

1671
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:21,320
Dracula it's been a few years since I

1672
01:14:25,420 --> 01:14:23,810
read Dracula well it has been since I

1673
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:25,430
heard it but I do distinctly remember

1674
01:14:32,710 --> 01:14:27,890
one of count Dracula's disciples called

1675
01:14:35,100 --> 01:14:32,720
Lucy wall western and or West who'd

1676
01:14:38,860 --> 01:14:35,110
become bird who become bitten by Dracula

1677
01:14:41,470 --> 01:14:38,870
Dracula and herself would now had now

1678
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:41,480
turned into a vampire and Graham Stoke

1679
01:14:48,580 --> 01:14:43,370
who actually mentions this in his book

1680
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:48,590
at least he mentions Lucy Westenra as

1681
01:14:53,580 --> 01:14:50,810
one of Count Dracula his disciples and

1682
01:14:56,890 --> 01:14:53,590
he actually mentioned the area which

1683
01:14:58,900 --> 01:14:56,900
he's almost in the proximity if I get so

1684
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:58,910
much food so is that one reason why

1685
01:15:03,730 --> 01:15:01,040
people might expect to see things there

1686
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:03,740
am I trying to suggest that's all

1687
01:15:10,150 --> 01:15:07,730
someone's imagination but yeah but I'm

1688
01:15:13,540 --> 01:15:10,160
I'm actually actually sure that the

1689
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added fuel to these sightings whether or

1690
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not the sightings had anything to do

1691
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with because I've said to you earlier a

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lot of the people that experienced this

1693
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ghostly figure I'll tell you what we

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have this sighting to present with gene

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hi this is Ted Phillips listening to the

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believe me David Ferrand joining us

1807
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psychic investigator from the UK with

1808
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:08,989
Jean and Chris we're talking about the

1809
01:20:13,500 --> 01:20:12,050
Highgate vampire or some apparition or

1810
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:13,510
whatever scene at the Highgate Cemetery

1811
01:20:18,340 --> 01:20:15,920
now we're talking about something to

1812
01:20:21,399 --> 01:20:18,350
happen quite a few years ago taking us a

1813
01:20:25,090 --> 01:20:21,409
present are still things being reported

1814
01:20:27,340 --> 01:20:25,100
there they're estranged yes the last

1815
01:20:30,250 --> 01:20:27,350
known sighting that I came to my

1816
01:20:31,930 --> 01:20:30,260
attention was in 2005 in fact there were

1817
01:20:35,530 --> 01:20:31,940
two in that year by two completely

1818
01:20:37,930 --> 01:20:35,540
different people one was a lady who was

1819
01:20:41,470 --> 01:20:37,940
driving up Swain's Lane quite late at

1820
01:20:44,979 --> 01:20:41,480
night she was coming up some archway to

1821
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:44,989
target village as she drove up obviously

1822
01:20:50,140 --> 01:20:46,250
it was dark because the headlights were

1823
01:20:51,820 --> 01:20:50,150
on but it was a summers night and she

1824
01:20:54,580 --> 01:20:51,830
saw in the distance what she thought was

1825
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:54,590
a sort of a a branch of the tree and she

1826
01:21:00,939 --> 01:20:57,850
could a big tree branch of sort of

1827
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:00,949
fallen over the wall unless she looked

1828
01:21:05,950 --> 01:21:03,530
closer and closer she realized that the

1829
01:21:07,540 --> 01:21:05,960
headlights when she wouldn't it lifts up

1830
01:21:10,060 --> 01:21:07,550
and their headlight she realized she was

1831
01:21:12,610 --> 01:21:10,070
sort of seeing a figure that was

1832
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:12,620
standing motionless against the wall and

1833
01:21:16,870 --> 01:21:14,810
she just mistaken it to be a tree branch

1834
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:16,880
when she looked back in the mirror the

1835
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:19,760
figures all disappeared and only a

1836
01:21:24,669 --> 01:21:22,010
couple of months after that another

1837
01:21:27,310 --> 01:21:24,679
person who was actually I was in contact

1838
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:27,320
with personally and he only came to see

1839
01:21:33,490 --> 01:21:30,290
me a few weeks ago now she used to live

1840
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:33,500
on the Holy Lodge estate which actually

1841
01:21:38,770 --> 01:21:35,210
backs on to Highgate Cemetery

1842
01:21:41,770 --> 01:21:38,780
right at the verb on the bottom end of

1843
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:41,780
it going down the hill and why he lived

1844
01:21:44,830 --> 01:21:43,040
he could actually look out of his

1845
01:21:47,220 --> 01:21:44,840
bathroom window at night and he could

1846
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:47,230
actually see Highgate Cemetery and

1847
01:21:53,620 --> 01:21:49,760
anyway he used to walk up and down

1848
01:21:55,629 --> 01:21:53,630
Swain's Lane quite regularly and he was

1849
01:21:58,149 --> 01:21:55,639
coming back from high-gain village on

1850
01:21:59,890 --> 01:21:58,159
his way home and he was really

1851
01:22:03,010 --> 01:21:59,900
unperturbed he wasn't in that much of a

1852
01:22:04,029 --> 01:22:03,020
hurry but he he had a young wife waiting

1853
01:22:06,580 --> 01:22:04,039
for him and then

1854
01:22:08,109 --> 01:22:06,590
on how delicious a little baby girl and

1855
01:22:11,620 --> 01:22:08,119
he wanted to get back and that's all he

1856
01:22:13,629 --> 01:22:11,630
was really thinking about and as he was

1857
01:22:16,209 --> 01:22:13,639
coming down from the top of Swain's Lane

1858
01:22:17,770 --> 01:22:16,219
he saw in the distance

1859
01:22:20,169 --> 01:22:17,780
how'd she'll explain here there's two

1860
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:20,179
gates if I get cemetry this the main I

1861
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was referring to the top gate which is

1862
01:22:28,029 --> 01:22:25,969
where I had the sighting and this person

1863
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:28,039
was walking down from the top gate and

1864
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down the hill and about a five-minute

1865
01:22:35,740 --> 01:22:32,900
walk after that you have the main gates

1866
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of the West cemetery along your left you

1867
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have the main gates of the eastern

1868
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cemetery which is a lot more modern and

1869
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that's the one where Karl Marx is buried

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but it attracts a lot of tourists for

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that reason and he saw in the distance a

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figure standing motionless outside the

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gates of the Eastern Cemetery just

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standing I can't take much notice of it

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except daddy he was on foot and they got

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closer and closer he realized he hadn't

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even seen this this figure moved when he

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01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:02,690
thought that's funny if it's a trample

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it's a someone standing there or

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somebody homeless it should be moving

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and as he approached it began to get a

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bit upper hands if he couldn't really

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explain why said there was just

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something in the atmosphere if he like

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he just felt very very uneasy and he

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decided not to look at the person

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01:23:26,290 --> 01:23:24,110
directly but sort of carry him walking

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past it it was in the middle of the road

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01:23:31,180 --> 01:23:29,210
he noticed it was sort of dressed in

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sort of Victorian clothing he was very

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difficult to discern it was almost he

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01:23:38,020 --> 01:23:36,170
wasn't sure if it was a cloak believe me

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I've questioned him badly they couldn't

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01:23:43,930 --> 01:23:40,789
really make it out but he did it seemed

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01:23:46,270 --> 01:23:43,940
to have some sort of half hood hiding

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01:23:48,549 --> 01:23:46,280
its face and this is the frightening

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01:23:52,029 --> 01:23:48,559
thing he said as he walked by it

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he was walking by the this person or

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whatever it was it was on his left he

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felt the voice in his ear

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those hum them whispered in his ear good

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evening sir and it really frightened him

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because he realized that the things

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about ten feet away from him and he

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heard this voice right in his ear and he

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carried on walking really really quickly

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and because he wanted to get to

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turning to the holy largest state which

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is just where a couple hundred yards

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down and right and he didn't look back

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as he just turned to go into the drive

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of the road that led to his house house

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on the estate he turned around and he

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01:24:40,690 --> 01:24:38,060
looked at the lane and he saw the figure

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01:24:44,110 --> 01:24:40,700
still standing outside the eastern gate

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of the new cemetery and he said and he

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watched it literally glided across the

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world we sing to it it was in the

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01:24:54,670 --> 01:24:52,100
distance but it went straight towards

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the main gate there was no other way and

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01:24:59,560 --> 01:24:56,570
these gates were locked in the Western

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01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:59,570
symmetry and he said it it just appeared

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to disappear straight from the main gate

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if I get symmetry now this was in 2000 I

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01:25:11,290 --> 01:25:09,020
believe it was in July 2006 so there you

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01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:11,300
have another example for citing its

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comparatively recent as these things go

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anyway so the answer is the it's still

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being it's still being cited by local

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people yes now this one thing I wanted

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01:25:31,570 --> 01:25:29,390
to really get into here going back to

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the beginning obviously we have an

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ongoing mystery the Highgate vampire

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what it could be

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but what first attracted you David

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ferrant to this sort of research we'll

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have to go back in time to answer that

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for you and I have to be really quick

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Jean because I think it was the

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01:25:55,650 --> 01:25:51,740
involvement involvement of my mother who

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01:26:00,640 --> 01:25:58,690
she attended one in Kentish Town which

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01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:00,650
is quite new high get in sheets and did

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01:26:04,690 --> 01:26:02,090
one in more finishing like good as a

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member I was very very young was when I

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say young I wasn't a baby but I was

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01:26:13,090 --> 01:26:10,190
eight nine ten but I used to be aware

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01:26:14,740 --> 01:26:13,100
that she used to attend the church and I

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was also aware that she used to come

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01:26:19,930 --> 01:26:16,880
back very late at night well I say

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01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:19,940
comparative units of you 11 o'clock I

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01:26:24,490 --> 01:26:21,770
think she used to go out and use me

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01:26:26,890 --> 01:26:24,500
about 8:00 and after there the meetings

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01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:26,900
in the church had finished she used to

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01:26:30,979 --> 01:26:29,690
go back to other members other people's

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01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:30,989
houses for coffee and

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01:26:38,589 --> 01:26:34,320
this sort of thing as you know the

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01:26:41,299 --> 01:26:38,599
spiritualist Church it does believe in

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01:26:44,299 --> 01:26:41,309
communication with spirits if you like

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01:26:46,989 --> 01:26:44,309
spirits of the dead even and that people

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01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:46,999
probably can lose these messages from

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01:26:51,529 --> 01:26:49,679
God doing members used to come in on

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01:26:53,209 --> 01:26:51,539
occasion quite late at night after

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attending these meetings and used to

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01:26:56,989 --> 01:26:54,960
cause a lot of conflict between her and

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my father so your father was a very

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01:27:02,390 --> 01:26:59,670
straightforward kind of gentleman he was

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01:27:06,379 --> 01:27:02,400
a very good man he was a company

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director and conservative businessman

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01:27:12,350 --> 01:27:09,900
and the missus is into ghosts and

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01:27:13,970 --> 01:27:12,360
spiritual as things and stuff well you

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01:27:17,029 --> 01:27:13,980
certainly into the spiritualist Church

1972
01:27:19,489 --> 01:27:17,039
and I felt a lot closer to my mother and

1973
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:19,499
I used to becoming aware as I grew older

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and these arguments between her and my

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father I wasn't eavesdropping but I

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couldn't I was brought in the very old

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01:27:32,839 --> 01:27:28,739
Victorian house in Highgate and it was

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01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:32,849
virtually empty at that time and has

1979
01:27:39,109 --> 01:27:36,480
these houses were then and he it wasn't

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01:27:41,629 --> 01:27:39,119
on the main road and sounds used to

1981
01:27:43,339 --> 01:27:41,639
carry at night was definitely aware of

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01:27:45,049 --> 01:27:43,349
them arguing I knew what it was about

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01:27:47,239 --> 01:27:45,059
this because she she's been to the

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meetings in this person his church the

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01:27:52,009 --> 01:27:49,110
whole point of that is it just a really

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01:27:53,359 --> 01:27:52,019
asked you a question quickly if anything

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I've got involved because of my

1988
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:55,019
influence when I would by the

1989
01:28:00,979 --> 01:27:58,800
involvement of my mother and it's true

1990
01:28:03,500 --> 01:28:00,989
that that particular house that I was

1991
01:28:07,100 --> 01:28:03,510
born in the old Victorian house was

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01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:07,110
actually haunted and mum my father I

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01:28:11,989 --> 01:28:10,110
used to tell my parents about it when it

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used to happen not very often but I used

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to see a figure in the front room and he

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just pleased to present the bad dreams

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or having a nightmare or something like

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that my mother was very understanding

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she always used to act out of earshot of

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my father or when he got after his

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01:28:30,169 --> 01:28:28,050
business his work or his meetings all

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01:28:31,549 --> 01:28:30,179
over there she used to sort of explained

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to me no you might not have been

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dreaming but these things can't hurt you

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if you really understand them they don't

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really want to hurt you and

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she she completely took a much more

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sympathetic approach and I think it was

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through there and her involvement even

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at that young age that I was sort of in

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Christ if you like or influenced into

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belief and me unknown the supernatural

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things beyond the material and this

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started you on a quest that began when

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you were fifteen years of age and this

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is even more fascinating we'll get into

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that in a moment let's take a few

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learn about psychic phenomena that

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2136
01:34:26,220 --> 01:34:23,260
jealous so what did you do you left

2137
01:34:28,530 --> 01:34:26,230
school um explain something really

2138
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:28,540
quickly when I was 13 yeah my mother

2139
01:34:33,959 --> 01:34:32,170
died I was away at boarding school and I

2140
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:33,969
think that's when I really experienced

2141
01:34:38,370 --> 01:34:35,650
it's very very big change in my life

2142
01:34:40,830 --> 01:34:38,380
because it's almost as if cos most of my

2143
01:34:43,410 --> 01:34:40,840
life had been taken away from me I felt

2144
01:34:45,390 --> 01:34:43,420
isolated I had no and turned to my

2145
01:34:47,819 --> 01:34:45,400
father was only interested in good

2146
01:34:49,319 --> 01:34:47,829
education I had to try and pass exams

2147
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:49,329
like wanted me to follow in his

2148
01:34:55,229 --> 01:34:52,090
footsteps and I just was not interested

2149
01:34:57,479 --> 01:34:55,239
in material learning I rebelled at

2150
01:35:00,870 --> 01:34:57,489
school especially I found another diet

2151
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:00,880
because I I had no reason to do

2152
01:35:05,190 --> 01:35:02,290
otherwise then

2153
01:35:08,730 --> 01:35:05,200
and I literally refused to learn

2154
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:08,740
anything I hated math I hated algebra

2155
01:35:15,900 --> 01:35:10,930
geometry in all the rest of it and fat

2156
01:35:19,770 --> 01:35:15,910
the end subject that I came top off top

2157
01:35:22,020 --> 01:35:19,780
of the class off was Scripture I know

2158
01:35:22,620 --> 01:35:22,030
that might sound funny bad because I've

2159
01:35:24,750 --> 01:35:22,630
had it

2160
01:35:27,630 --> 01:35:24,760
I had a great interest that deep

2161
01:35:30,510 --> 01:35:27,640
interesting stories in the Bible and

2162
01:35:33,870 --> 01:35:30,520
truly ffice I swear that was concealed

2163
01:35:36,780 --> 01:35:33,880
in the Bible there anyway after that yes

2164
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:36,790
I got expelled from two schools and I

2165
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:38,890
actually the last one was when I was

2166
01:35:44,820 --> 01:35:40,810
fifteen years old because in those days

2167
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:44,830
you could leave school at 15 another

2168
01:35:51,900 --> 01:35:47,170
feeling I got kicked out of a couple

2169
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:51,910
myself oh I don't feel so alone then all

2170
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:53,650
right so you got expelled

2171
01:35:56,670 --> 01:35:55,210
why because you were disobedient

2172
01:35:59,610 --> 01:35:56,680
wouldn't pay attention to your studies

2173
01:36:02,850 --> 01:35:59,620
what because I I was considered a bad

2174
01:36:07,380 --> 01:36:02,860
influence on the other pupils because I

2175
01:36:09,870 --> 01:36:07,390
was in those days and bear in mind this

2176
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:09,880
was I'm talking about 1961

2177
01:36:16,170 --> 01:36:12,730
I think the climax came is why I just

2178
01:36:18,030 --> 01:36:16,180
refused to get my hair cut I was going

2179
01:36:20,270 --> 01:36:18,040
to a private school in Weymouth which

2180
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:20,280
was five of us paying a lot of money for

2181
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:23,650
but these this was in the days when I

2182
01:36:28,500 --> 01:36:25,810
know it's hard to imagine now people

2183
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:28,510
just did not have long before the

2184
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:31,330
Beatles frankly it was two years before

2185
01:36:35,700 --> 01:36:33,370
that and my god if your hair isn't come

2186
01:36:38,550 --> 01:36:35,710
over your collar in those days it was

2187
01:36:40,700 --> 01:36:38,560
short back inside that was the norm you

2188
01:36:43,500 --> 01:36:40,710
stared at in the street you know

2189
01:36:46,740 --> 01:36:43,510
released and two years before the

2190
01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:46,750
Rolling Stones and I just hated the

2191
01:36:52,140 --> 01:36:49,840
system I wanted to let my hair girl but

2192
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:52,150
as part of this rebellion and I refused

2193
01:36:55,650 --> 01:36:54,010
to get it cut and so they wrote to my

2194
01:36:57,930 --> 01:36:55,660
father and said you had to remove them

2195
01:36:59,930 --> 01:36:57,940
from the school and as well as that we

2196
01:37:03,240 --> 01:36:59,940
were making dates because a girl's

2197
01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:03,250
comprehensive school just down about 50

2198
01:37:07,770 --> 01:37:05,110
yards down the road there wasn't a

2199
01:37:10,050 --> 01:37:07,780
boarding school being sad a school and

2200
01:37:12,540 --> 01:37:10,060
we're always rushing down to the big

2201
01:37:13,149 --> 01:37:12,550
field at the end of the private school

2202
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:13,159
and

2203
01:37:18,850 --> 01:37:16,489
that to all the girls if they come out

2204
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:18,860
from their day classes this is 15 years

2205
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:20,449
old you've got a good start

2206
01:37:24,490 --> 01:37:22,250
yeah but I've got a good excuse to

2207
01:37:29,860 --> 01:37:24,500
because I was only I was only or

2208
01:37:31,209 --> 01:37:29,870
15 myself and that's a dad was a bad

2209
01:37:33,010 --> 01:37:31,219
influence on the other girl

2210
01:37:35,470 --> 01:37:33,020
I'm the other glories and all this stuff

2211
01:37:39,220 --> 01:37:35,480
spread like wildfire

2212
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:39,230
I mean it's gossip that it wasn't long

2213
01:37:44,410 --> 01:37:41,570
before the teachers got to hear about it

2214
01:37:46,899 --> 01:37:44,420
boys gossiping you know hear people

2215
01:37:50,470 --> 01:37:46,909
talking and really anyway I left school

2216
01:37:52,450 --> 01:37:50,480
so I went abroad and I left I was

2217
01:37:55,930 --> 01:37:52,460
working on the boats near Weymouth I'm

2218
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:55,940
at I went to France and I went to I was

2219
01:38:01,780 --> 01:37:57,920
working my way through France any jobs I

2220
01:38:03,939 --> 01:38:01,790
could get and I went down to I right

2221
01:38:05,950 --> 01:38:03,949
down to the south of Italy Sicily I

2222
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:05,960
ended up getting a job in Sicily I was

2223
01:38:09,550 --> 01:38:07,730
just doing anything I could find that

2224
01:38:13,810 --> 01:38:09,560
the funny thing is this was August I was

2225
01:38:15,700 --> 01:38:13,820
21 and I had a large inheritance to come

2226
01:38:17,770 --> 01:38:15,710
into when I was 21 but that well that

2227
01:38:19,689 --> 01:38:17,780
was some years in the future

2228
01:38:22,149 --> 01:38:19,699
my father didn't approve and I couldn't

2229
01:38:23,470 --> 01:38:22,159
really right home and ask him for any

2230
01:38:25,540 --> 01:38:23,480
money so I was having to literally

2231
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:25,550
worked my way picking bears picking

2232
01:38:31,180 --> 01:38:28,730
grapes washing up dishes and French

2233
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:31,190
cafes and that wasn't even very good at

2234
01:38:36,340 --> 01:38:34,250
language and that sort of thing so I

2235
01:38:39,850 --> 01:38:36,350
worked around here before I eventually

2236
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:39,860
came back to England so I know it's a

2237
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:41,360
bit of a long drawn-out answer that's

2238
01:38:45,820 --> 01:38:42,800
basically what happened yeah got

2239
01:38:48,459 --> 01:38:45,830
expelled went abroad travel grande

2240
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:48,469
worked and then came back to England and

2241
01:38:51,790 --> 01:38:51,290
it was then that I looked out looked up

2242
01:38:55,149 --> 01:38:51,800
forever

2243
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:55,159
my father wasn't very pleased he didn't

2244
01:38:59,410 --> 01:38:56,960
approve we want to miss it a jog and

2245
01:39:01,169 --> 01:38:59,420
look respect to go to settle down and

2246
01:39:04,419 --> 01:39:01,179
get all this nonsense about Paris

2247
01:39:06,700 --> 01:39:04,429
paranormal at my head and of course I

2248
01:39:09,070 --> 01:39:06,710
was too sort of headstrong it was too

2249
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:09,080
deeply inherent in me by this time

2250
01:39:14,770 --> 01:39:12,290
perhaps even aided by my mother's death

2251
01:39:16,780 --> 01:39:14,780
I just didn't care I felt so close to

2252
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:16,790
her and I wasn't going to listen to the

2253
01:39:22,570 --> 01:39:19,040
people that were skeptical or scoffed at

2254
01:39:24,850 --> 01:39:22,580
what I was trying to do I saw that keep

2255
01:39:26,979 --> 01:39:24,860
trying to do that that brings up a

2256
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:26,989
really interesting point what

2257
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:30,530
the you know your compulsion what were

2258
01:39:35,169 --> 01:39:31,610
you trying to accomplish

2259
01:39:37,870 --> 01:39:35,179
besides you know fell in and and and you

2260
01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:37,880
know sort of embodying the spirit of the

2261
01:39:44,649 --> 01:39:40,159
times I mean you know the mid-sixties

2262
01:39:46,890 --> 01:39:44,659
were amazingly turbulent times things

2263
01:39:50,319 --> 01:39:46,900
things were happening what was your

2264
01:39:53,229 --> 01:39:50,329
motivation what was your goal I just

2265
01:39:54,100 --> 01:39:53,239
didn't I just didn't know that's the

2266
01:39:56,339 --> 01:39:54,110
whole point

2267
01:39:59,259 --> 01:39:56,349
I was basically trying to follows

2268
01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:59,269
instinctively trying to find out more

2269
01:40:02,830 --> 01:40:01,280
about what my mother had been involved

2270
01:40:05,709 --> 01:40:02,840
in and she'd been involved in

2271
01:40:07,660 --> 01:40:05,719
spiritualist charity she still had there

2272
01:40:10,689 --> 01:40:07,670
was still a lot of people she was young

2273
01:40:12,370 --> 01:40:10,699
when she died she was only 35 and a lot

2274
01:40:13,989 --> 01:40:12,380
of people were still alive and I looked

2275
01:40:16,839 --> 01:40:13,999
them up and I went to see them and I

2276
01:40:18,669 --> 01:40:16,849
started to become involved with them and

2277
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:18,679
I was trying to find out more about what

2278
01:40:27,129 --> 01:40:23,170
she'd been pursuing and I did and

2279
01:40:27,879 --> 01:40:27,139
eventually got involved with people who

2280
01:40:30,910 --> 01:40:27,889
actually lived

2281
01:40:34,180 --> 01:40:30,920
one lady lived in Barnet who were

2282
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:34,190
involved in wicker now what is the

2283
01:40:38,770 --> 01:40:37,489
correct name for witchcraft do you

2284
01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:38,780
remember us at the beginning of the

2285
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:40,249
program I said I really hate the word

2286
01:40:46,209 --> 01:40:43,010
which guy I knew Michael years ago who

2287
01:40:50,500 --> 01:40:46,219
practiced various weekend religions I

2288
01:40:52,930 --> 01:40:50,510
was just basically was I'm trying to say

2289
01:40:55,239 --> 01:40:52,940
that I just decided to seek friends of

2290
01:40:57,609 --> 01:40:55,249
my mother's and I eventually met a lady

2291
01:41:02,979 --> 01:40:57,619
in Burnet who was heavily involved in

2292
01:41:04,810 --> 01:41:02,989
with wicker and as I just said I hate

2293
01:41:06,850 --> 01:41:04,820
the word which cost because it conjures

2294
01:41:10,839 --> 01:41:06,860
up in people's minds black magic

2295
01:41:13,660 --> 01:41:10,849
satanism well these are earth warmers I

2296
01:41:16,870 --> 01:41:13,670
knew people involved in different Wiccan

2297
01:41:19,359 --> 01:41:16,880
movements Oh quite a number of years ago

2298
01:41:21,370 --> 01:41:19,369
and they were just lovely people and no

2299
01:41:24,370 --> 01:41:21,380
they were in casting spells against

2300
01:41:25,899 --> 01:41:24,380
people that was the worst of what

2301
01:41:29,109 --> 01:41:25,909
anybody could possibly the Christian

2302
01:41:32,229 --> 01:41:29,119
Church has done a good job in stamping

2303
01:41:36,370 --> 01:41:32,239
out all sort of ritualistic practices

2304
01:41:38,020 --> 01:41:36,380
based on nature oh yes they the

2305
01:41:39,939 --> 01:41:38,030
Christian Church the early Christian

2306
01:41:40,300 --> 01:41:39,949
Church an excellent rubber sort of an

2307
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:40,310
eye

2308
01:41:46,360 --> 01:41:44,210
that old religion which is really only a

2309
01:41:48,820 --> 01:41:46,370
little religion based on facility which

2310
01:41:52,110 --> 01:41:48,830
I was later to sort of get an

2311
01:41:55,090 --> 01:41:52,120
understanding of it was a facility

2312
01:41:57,700 --> 01:41:55,100
facility religion based on the powers of

2313
01:42:00,660 --> 01:41:57,710
nature the powers of understanding

2314
01:42:03,790 --> 01:42:00,670
ourselves the human psyche healing

2315
01:42:05,940 --> 01:42:03,800
helping people but it was nothing to do

2316
01:42:08,290 --> 01:42:05,950
with any sort of black magical activity

2317
01:42:13,420 --> 01:42:08,300
it's called symbiosis

2318
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:13,430
you know humanity is a it's kind of a

2319
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:15,890
flower within within this reality within

2320
01:42:23,620 --> 01:42:18,650
a closed system called earth and nature

2321
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:23,630
Gaia the mother if you will really does

2322
01:42:28,420 --> 01:42:25,970
have a lot more to do with what is going

2323
01:42:31,210 --> 01:42:28,430
on with humans then I think modern

2324
01:42:34,990 --> 01:42:31,220
science would care to admit or even

2325
01:42:38,020 --> 01:42:35,000
acknowledge that it's possible yeah

2326
01:42:39,820 --> 01:42:38,030
yes I absolutely agree with you and I

2327
01:42:42,430 --> 01:42:39,830
found it all this out very very

2328
01:42:46,030 --> 01:42:42,440
gradually and I realize it was a very

2329
01:42:51,070 --> 01:42:46,040
very deep it was understanding okay they

2330
01:42:52,900 --> 01:42:51,080
had to and it's misunderstood nowadays

2331
01:42:55,750 --> 01:42:52,910
because in Wicker they have a female

2332
01:42:57,450 --> 01:42:55,760
deity who's the mother goddess obviously

2333
01:43:00,190 --> 01:42:57,460
and have a male deity

2334
01:43:05,590 --> 01:43:00,200
he's symbolized by the Sun the solar

2335
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:05,600
deity and but more important if anything

2336
01:43:10,330 --> 01:43:07,370
it's not as if they're two separate

2337
01:43:12,850 --> 01:43:10,340
deities it's just suddenly in Wickard

2338
01:43:15,010 --> 01:43:12,860
they believe that it's just two aspects

2339
01:43:16,540 --> 01:43:15,020
of the same day a female announced in

2340
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:16,550
biosis yeah

2341
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:19,730
and I I was to find all that come out

2342
01:43:26,850 --> 01:43:24,530
and you know I'm in this historical fact

2343
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:26,860
that when the early church tried to

2344
01:43:32,890 --> 01:43:29,570
annihilate wicker as they did in the

2345
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:32,900
Middle Ages they destroyed all its

2346
01:43:37,210 --> 01:43:34,370
customs they destroyed all these

2347
01:43:39,090 --> 01:43:37,220
practices and they're not only try to

2348
01:43:41,410 --> 01:43:39,100
destroy them they actually stole them

2349
01:43:43,690 --> 01:43:41,420
for example I might be telling you the

2350
01:43:48,850 --> 01:43:43,700
obvious cause easting what summer was

2351
01:43:52,250 --> 01:43:48,860
about it in wicker the little so and

2352
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:52,260
hurry holly was symbolic of

2353
01:43:58,490 --> 01:43:54,210
everlasting life being evergreens it's

2354
01:44:00,590 --> 01:43:58,500
only symbolic and they were taken over

2355
01:44:02,630 --> 01:44:00,600
by the Christian Church and used in the

2356
01:44:05,300 --> 01:44:02,640
virtuous to celebrate Christmas fir

2357
01:44:06,950 --> 01:44:05,310
trees the Christmas tree and later on we

2358
01:44:09,110 --> 01:44:06,960
had the Easter Egg which was used in

2359
01:44:11,330 --> 01:44:09,120
with them which is only a little we've

2360
01:44:14,180 --> 01:44:11,340
basically assumed in the Christian world

2361
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:14,190
some of these rituals from the pagan

2362
01:44:28,020 --> 01:44:16,890
religions David Ferrand joining us with

2363
01:44:34,380 --> 01:44:31,200
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2364
01:44:39,330 --> 01:44:34,390
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2365
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:39,340
and great talk radio starts here hi Ted

2366
01:44:43,020 --> 01:44:40,810
Anderson announcing a great way to

2367
01:44:45,210 --> 01:44:43,030
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2368
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:45,220
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2369
01:44:49,860 --> 01:44:47,290
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2370
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:49,870
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01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:54,700
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2373
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2375
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2377
01:45:09,900 --> 01:45:07,470
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2378
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:09,910
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2379
01:45:13,050 --> 01:45:11,410
wondered why banks stockbrokers

2380
01:45:14,820 --> 01:45:13,060
investment advisors won't talk about

2381
01:45:16,710 --> 01:45:14,830
gold IRAs they've been available since

2382
01:45:18,420 --> 01:45:16,720
nineteen eighty six yet the financial

2383
01:45:19,770 --> 01:45:18,430
industry won't recognize the value of

2384
01:45:21,660 --> 01:45:19,780
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2385
01:45:23,820 --> 01:45:21,670
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2386
01:45:36,650 --> 01:45:23,830
yet no word about IRAs if you would like

2387
01:45:44,759 --> 01:45:38,670
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2388
01:45:52,799 --> 01:45:48,489
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2389
01:45:56,979 --> 01:45:52,809
standard of paranormal radio and now

2390
01:45:59,890 --> 01:45:56,989
here's Jane Steinberg joined by David

2391
01:46:02,350 --> 01:45:59,900
ferrant we've been talking about the

2392
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:02,360
Highgate vampire his history and psychic

2393
01:46:07,899 --> 01:46:04,610
research a little bit about weekend

2394
01:46:10,180 --> 01:46:07,909
religions earth worshippers people who

2395
01:46:13,239 --> 01:46:10,190
aren't trying to cast spells on you but

2396
01:46:15,930 --> 01:46:13,249
trying to respect mother earth let's

2397
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:15,940
move on here this organization that

2398
01:46:21,419 --> 01:46:19,280
you're a founder of the British psychic

2399
01:46:24,100 --> 01:46:21,429
and occult society how'd that come about

2400
01:46:27,669 --> 01:46:24,110
yeah it all started with a very small

2401
01:46:30,250 --> 01:46:27,679
group of people back in 67 local people

2402
01:46:32,620 --> 01:46:30,260
who interest in ghost exploring local

2403
01:46:36,189 --> 01:46:32,630
hauntings and that sort of thing local

2404
01:46:39,489 --> 01:46:36,199
pubs and it gradually grew not that

2405
01:46:42,250 --> 01:46:39,499
quickly but we had handfuls of members

2406
01:46:43,750 --> 01:46:42,260
and me had membership forms and we used

2407
01:46:46,540 --> 01:46:43,760
to have meetings at other people's

2408
01:46:50,020 --> 01:46:46,550
houses or even at my own house when I

2409
01:46:53,489 --> 01:46:50,030
could and that's how I really began it

2410
01:46:55,959 --> 01:46:53,499
was a very gradual process and of course

2411
01:46:58,209 --> 01:46:55,969
then the Highgate vampire thing came

2412
01:47:05,589 --> 01:46:58,219
along but there were other cases before

2413
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:05,599
they're in that came along and it's just

2414
01:47:12,609 --> 01:47:10,610
going from their dream do you think over

2415
01:47:14,529 --> 01:47:12,619
these years that you've been searching

2416
01:47:16,660 --> 01:47:14,539
for truth behind these various

2417
01:47:18,279 --> 01:47:16,670
paranormal experiences do you have a

2418
01:47:21,129 --> 01:47:18,289
handle on what you think might be

2419
01:47:23,109 --> 01:47:21,139
causing say the Highgate vampire or any

2420
01:47:26,410 --> 01:47:23,119
other apparitions seen in connection

2421
01:47:29,950 --> 01:47:26,420
with anything yes I do but I don't know

2422
01:47:32,739 --> 01:47:29,960
look I don't have all people but I

2423
01:47:36,100 --> 01:47:32,749
basically come to understand it's a

2424
01:47:39,850 --> 01:47:36,110
gradual process a lot of unexplained

2425
01:47:41,379 --> 01:47:39,860
phenomena are no more you forgot to put

2426
01:47:44,259 --> 01:47:41,389
them into categories I said the first

2427
01:47:48,729 --> 01:47:44,269
category the largest category are no

2428
01:47:51,569 --> 01:47:48,739
more than just transmissions or

2429
01:47:55,149 --> 01:47:51,579
reflections of a sense from the past

2430
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:55,159
albeit some of them aided by tragic

2431
01:48:01,550 --> 01:47:57,840
circumstances will surely said potent

2432
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:01,560
it's almost like a DVR connected to a

2433
01:48:06,260 --> 01:48:04,800
time machine is playing back something

2434
01:48:09,670 --> 01:48:06,270
like that yeah and it's also dependent

2435
01:48:11,150 --> 01:48:09,680
on conditions I mean the residual echo

2436
01:48:13,970 --> 01:48:11,160
yes

2437
01:48:16,970 --> 01:48:13,980
a lot of these sort of reflections of if

2438
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:16,980
we like ghosts are merely that they're

2439
01:48:20,930 --> 01:48:18,480
just reflections they have no more

2440
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:20,940
intelligence if you like them the video

2441
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:25,770
film or a television picture so

2442
01:48:31,820 --> 01:48:28,170
basically if I projected a holographic

2443
01:48:34,610 --> 01:48:31,830
image at a cemetery that as real as the

2444
01:48:37,100 --> 01:48:34,620
ghost would be well yes except that I

2445
01:48:38,630 --> 01:48:37,110
think these images can just under the

2446
01:48:40,790 --> 01:48:38,640
right conditions one of them being the

2447
01:48:43,430 --> 01:48:40,800
element of water a damp atmosphere for

2448
01:48:47,630 --> 01:48:43,440
example a lot of these things are

2449
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:47,640
actually witnessed under the conditions

2450
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:50,970
of the low pressure areas as I said of

2451
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:53,010
the element of water and lots of these

2452
01:48:59,240 --> 01:48:56,370
sightings seem to be similar tiniest

2453
01:49:01,870 --> 01:48:59,250
with this interesting observation so

2454
01:49:05,650 --> 01:49:01,880
lots of moisture in the air low pressure

2455
01:49:08,210 --> 01:49:05,660
tends to be a good Apache dish

2456
01:49:12,050 --> 01:49:08,220
conditional sort of environment for

2457
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:12,060
these manifestations yes yes it would

2458
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:14,730
also explain why lost a witness by

2459
01:49:18,350 --> 01:49:17,010
people are not really expecting to see

2460
01:49:19,790 --> 01:49:18,360
them because they're like they're not

2461
01:49:21,470 --> 01:49:19,800
looking for ghosts they just witnessed

2462
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:21,480
something which I'm quite convinced

2463
01:49:26,420 --> 01:49:23,610
myself is just a reflection of some past

2464
01:49:28,670 --> 01:49:26,430
event whether it be reflection of a

2465
01:49:31,820 --> 01:49:28,680
figures whether it be reflections of

2466
01:49:34,130 --> 01:49:31,830
even animals such as dogs with caps or

2467
01:49:37,100 --> 01:49:34,140
even bears or even objects such as

2468
01:49:39,860 --> 01:49:37,110
stagecoach you stagecoaches and all that

2469
01:49:41,900 --> 01:49:39,870
sort of thing I know people quick to say

2470
01:49:44,060 --> 01:49:41,910
their intelligence they're intelligent

2471
01:49:47,900 --> 01:49:44,070
they're ghosts they've got to be ghosts

2472
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:47,910
I don't necessarily believe that and the

2473
01:49:52,130 --> 01:49:49,890
other category are only selling this

2474
01:49:54,620 --> 01:49:52,140
very quick gene because it's very

2475
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:54,630
complicated subject the other cut is of

2476
01:49:58,610 --> 01:49:56,730
course you've heard of the whole

2477
01:50:01,310 --> 01:49:58,620
apologetic activity haven't been

2478
01:50:03,380 --> 01:50:01,320
certainly objects but yeah apparently

2479
01:50:05,900 --> 01:50:03,390
their own volition doors opening closing

2480
01:50:07,820 --> 01:50:05,910
light bulbs and effects upon electrical

2481
01:50:10,130 --> 01:50:07,830
systems light bulbs fading even

2482
01:50:10,709 --> 01:50:10,140
exploding gas tax turning themselves and

2483
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:10,719
and often

2484
01:50:16,370 --> 01:50:13,210
the rest of it I'm quite convinced a lot

2485
01:50:18,569 --> 01:50:16,380
of these things happen are caused by

2486
01:50:22,770 --> 01:50:18,579
unconscious levels in the human mind

2487
01:50:25,799 --> 01:50:22,780
itself this is why came to understand

2488
01:50:28,620 --> 01:50:25,809
that maybe Y loss of these things only

2489
01:50:31,350 --> 01:50:28,630
happened at night because that is when

2490
01:50:36,450 --> 01:50:31,360
the mind is obviously asleep or in a

2491
01:50:38,759 --> 01:50:36,460
state of sleep and the everyday thinking

2492
01:50:42,060 --> 01:50:38,769
conscious mind actually acts as a

2493
01:50:43,529 --> 01:50:42,070
barrier to people witnessing me so you

2494
01:50:45,089 --> 01:50:43,539
basically have to be in the proper

2495
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:45,099
mental state to see it it's not

2496
01:50:49,770 --> 01:50:47,170
something that you can just go there and

2497
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:49,780
take your camcorder or your iPhone with

2498
01:50:56,060 --> 01:50:51,610
a built-in video camera and take a

2499
01:50:58,500 --> 01:50:56,070
picture of it no I don't believe it is

2500
01:51:01,020 --> 01:50:58,510
which is why we never do that

2501
01:51:02,580 --> 01:51:01,030
as such and we do take pictures but

2502
01:51:07,020 --> 01:51:02,590
obviously that's to get a layout of the

2503
01:51:10,020 --> 01:51:07,030
building or so you're saying also then

2504
01:51:12,239 --> 01:51:10,030
that they can't be measured I bring this

2505
01:51:14,459 --> 01:51:12,249
up because we interviewed a ghost hunter

2506
01:51:17,879 --> 01:51:14,469
last week on the show fellow named Jeff

2507
01:51:20,100 --> 01:51:17,889
Stewart from New England organization up

2508
01:51:23,209 --> 01:51:20,110
in Vermont and he was talking about all

2509
01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:23,219
the elaborate electronics they use to

2510
01:51:28,410 --> 01:51:25,360
measure these things but you're saying

2511
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:28,420
that can't be done I'm saying that I'm

2512
01:51:33,330 --> 01:51:31,090
that they cannot be scientifically

2513
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:33,340
measured at this point in time that

2514
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:35,920
doesn't mean to say that it's not I

2515
01:51:40,649 --> 01:51:38,050
think a lot of these things adhere to of

2516
01:51:42,899 --> 01:51:40,659
law or laws which are not understood by

2517
01:51:44,969 --> 01:51:42,909
science that's not meant to sound

2518
01:51:46,979 --> 01:51:44,979
arrogant I'm not trying to find that

2519
01:51:48,870 --> 01:51:46,989
well in other words you're talking about

2520
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:48,880
subtle energies that we don't have the

2521
01:51:55,169 --> 01:51:52,449
instrumentation or the technology to

2522
01:51:58,680 --> 01:51:55,179
actually detect yeah that's it exactly

2523
01:52:00,149 --> 01:51:58,690
that's all I was trying to say but it

2524
01:52:01,830 --> 01:52:00,159
doesn't on the other hand it doesn't

2525
01:52:04,410 --> 01:52:01,840
necessarily mean that these things are

2526
01:52:05,819 --> 01:52:04,420
supernatural all the time doesn't mean

2527
01:52:08,279 --> 01:52:05,829
they're due to some sort of outside

2528
01:52:11,370 --> 01:52:08,289
forces or spiritual forces it just means

2529
01:52:13,919 --> 01:52:11,380
that the human psyche it's very very

2530
01:52:16,589 --> 01:52:13,929
deep it's got many many many levels

2531
01:52:18,359 --> 01:52:16,599
contained in it and a lot of the time

2532
01:52:21,089 --> 01:52:18,369
especially when people are sleeper and

2533
01:52:23,950 --> 01:52:21,099
light sleep these levels can come to the

2534
01:52:27,250 --> 01:52:23,960
surface and manifest if we like

2535
01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:27,260
what commonly called or poltergeists

2536
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:29,210
this sort of thing they automatically

2537
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:31,010
put down well that must be an outside

2538
01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:34,130
being is trying to haunt me and I'm sure

2539
01:52:40,690 --> 01:52:37,760
that a lot of the time these this

2540
01:52:42,820 --> 01:52:40,700
activity is not even realized by the

2541
01:52:45,670 --> 01:52:42,830
people themselves are actually causing

2542
01:52:47,770 --> 01:52:45,680
it in other words that they don't

2543
01:52:49,540 --> 01:52:47,780
realize that there's no outside ghosts

2544
01:52:52,290 --> 01:52:49,550
coming to their flat but there is this

2545
01:52:55,420 --> 01:52:52,300
level of consciousness and human mind

2546
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:55,430
it's just quite natural in but it would

2547
01:53:01,570 --> 01:52:58,400
be naturally funny it was understood and

2548
01:53:03,580 --> 01:53:01,580
then in this David this dovetails over

2549
01:53:06,970 --> 01:53:03,590
into the abduction phenomenon where

2550
01:53:09,150 --> 01:53:06,980
where people are having hypnagogic what

2551
01:53:13,450 --> 01:53:09,160
appears to me to be hypnagogic state

2552
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:13,460
experiences that then you know almost

2553
01:53:18,370 --> 01:53:15,130
create a life of their own

2554
01:53:20,590 --> 01:53:18,380
so to me that's very intriguing because

2555
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:20,600
we're dealing with with a you know deep

2556
01:53:26,740 --> 01:53:23,930
reaches within the human mind and

2557
01:53:29,729 --> 01:53:26,750
consciousness and unconsciousness and so

2558
01:53:32,380 --> 01:53:29,739
you feel all this is kind of tied into

2559
01:53:35,740 --> 01:53:32,390
manifestations of what people call

2560
01:53:40,030 --> 01:53:35,750
ghosts or aberrations of beans that sort

2561
01:53:42,280 --> 01:53:40,040
of things I do absolutely you put it a

2562
01:53:44,770 --> 01:53:42,290
lot better than I could I just try to

2563
01:53:48,190 --> 01:53:44,780
explain it yes but I do that's exactly

2564
01:53:50,229 --> 01:53:48,200
it that once we start to understand

2565
01:53:52,810 --> 01:53:50,239
not so much what ghosts are I hate the

2566
01:53:55,030 --> 01:53:52,820
word ghosts so much as much as I hate

2567
01:53:57,850 --> 01:53:55,040
the word which I think will become a lot

2568
01:54:00,640 --> 01:53:57,860
closest try and understand how these

2569
01:54:02,170 --> 01:54:00,650
things happen and let's face it they do

2570
01:54:04,990 --> 01:54:02,180
happen I mean they've been happening for

2571
01:54:07,750 --> 01:54:05,000
centuries all over the world this took

2572
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:07,760
so many different people the next time

2573
01:54:14,620 --> 01:54:12,410
oh excuse me for interrupting but there

2574
01:54:18,580 --> 01:54:14,630
have been you know a hundreds of

2575
01:54:25,140 --> 01:54:18,590
thousands of years of shamanic work that

2576
01:54:29,260 --> 01:54:25,150
is used shall we say exalted botanicals

2577
01:54:31,900 --> 01:54:29,270
compounds found in nature to elicit you

2578
01:54:35,650 --> 01:54:31,910
know a form of consciousness that allows

2579
01:54:37,970 --> 01:54:35,660
itself to interact with something that

2580
01:54:39,770 --> 01:54:37,980
modern science has yet to

2581
01:54:42,500 --> 01:54:39,780
you know they're not even close to being

2582
01:54:45,650 --> 01:54:42,510
able to identify yet yet these are real

2583
01:54:50,740 --> 01:54:45,660
real effect so when you talk Wicca and

2584
01:54:54,260 --> 01:54:50,750
and you know with Hagen if you will

2585
01:54:58,700 --> 01:54:54,270
naturalistic sort of practices knowledge

2586
01:55:02,210 --> 01:54:58,710
and you add botanicals whether it's

2587
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:02,220
peyote or dimethyltryptamine or some of

2588
01:55:07,610 --> 01:55:03,930
these wonderful substances found in

2589
01:55:10,490 --> 01:55:07,620
nature which also are found in human and

2590
01:55:13,130 --> 01:55:10,500
body as well you put all that together

2591
01:55:15,020 --> 01:55:13,140
and then you throw Hollywood into it and

2592
01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:15,030
we've got a really interesting scenario

2593
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:17,130
in the 21st century wouldn't you agree

2594
01:55:24,140 --> 01:55:19,170
I do agree and I suppose you could even

2595
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:24,150
throw that into into that equation well

2596
01:55:28,490 --> 01:55:26,610
crystal is for example which are formed

2597
01:55:31,070 --> 01:55:28,500
in nature aren't they David Ferren

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questions for our guests with gene and

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Chris we have David ferrant paranormal

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investigator who has been doing this

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thing since I guess his quest early in

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his teen years to discover more about

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our strange world Chris have you been

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able to check some of the questions we

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have in the power cast forms and maybe

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post a few yeah and there's there's a

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couple of good ones here David

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02:00:31,910 --> 02:00:29,550
this comes from Conrad Hartman who has

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only been a member for about three or

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four days but and after this he'll give

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up well no I mean come on it's a pair

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casted they never leave we have people

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once they join the power cast I'd say

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02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:44,730
out of any hundred members maybe one

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02:00:49,880 --> 02:00:47,370
will leave us and the rest just stick

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02:00:52,190 --> 02:00:49,890
around well every show needs the

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hardcore kind of you know the people

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that help help the show move in check

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02:01:00,020 --> 02:00:57,410
anyway David questions for mister Ferran

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02:01:02,270 --> 02:01:00,030
do you have any stories about Limehouse

2730
02:01:06,110 --> 02:01:02,280
and that's a good question because I'm

2731
02:01:07,830 --> 02:01:06,120
aware of one or two but let's talk about

2732
02:01:10,660 --> 02:01:07,840
Limehouse

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02:01:13,210 --> 02:01:10,670
what it's very big area isn't it are you

2734
02:01:17,230 --> 02:01:13,220
talking about my mouse on the on a north

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02:01:20,710 --> 02:01:17,240
bank of attempts or are we talking

2736
02:01:22,840 --> 02:01:20,720
across focuses here you mean Limehouse

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02:01:26,620 --> 02:01:22,850
in London the question just says

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02:01:29,620 --> 02:01:26,630
Limehouse it says Winehouse but all I

2739
02:01:34,390 --> 02:01:29,630
can think of the person must be

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02:01:38,490 --> 02:01:34,400
referring to an area in the East End of

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02:01:41,770 --> 02:01:38,500
London which is really very old area and

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02:01:44,430 --> 02:01:41,780
but it's quite an extensive area it must

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02:01:47,620 --> 02:01:44,440
be about over a quarter of a mile long

2744
02:01:49,090 --> 02:01:47,630
it's very difficult to answer Chris if I

2745
02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:49,100
can't really understand that question I

2746
02:01:55,570 --> 02:01:53,450
mean he's not very Pacific is he oh so

2747
02:01:58,510 --> 02:01:55,580
we'll move on to question number two

2748
02:02:00,150 --> 02:01:58,520
what psychological effects of Note have

2749
02:02:04,810 --> 02:02:00,160
you witnessed in the presence of

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02:02:07,240 --> 02:02:04,820
phenomena and he goes on to say if a

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02:02:09,790 --> 02:02:07,250
given event is generated from the human

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02:02:12,340 --> 02:02:09,800
mind can the event feedback into the

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02:02:15,910 --> 02:02:12,350
originating mind or another and

2754
02:02:18,430 --> 02:02:15,920
therefore perpetuate itself have you

2755
02:02:20,170 --> 02:02:18,440
experienced any changes or influences on

2756
02:02:22,570 --> 02:02:20,180
the personalities of people after

2757
02:02:26,100 --> 02:02:22,580
exposure to you know there are

2758
02:02:29,170 --> 02:02:26,110
paranormal events yes I certainly have I

2759
02:02:31,750 --> 02:02:29,180
used to get think I still do not used to

2760
02:02:34,720 --> 02:02:31,760
get people coming to see me all the time

2761
02:02:37,720 --> 02:02:34,730
that claimed they had experience with

2762
02:02:40,210 --> 02:02:37,730
psychic phenomena some were more serious

2763
02:02:41,830 --> 02:02:40,220
than others often it would be just gated

2764
02:02:44,170 --> 02:02:41,840
people to seeing a ghost and wanted to

2765
02:02:45,970 --> 02:02:44,180
tell me about a community tales but some

2766
02:02:49,390 --> 02:02:45,980
people actually used to come to see me

2767
02:02:51,370 --> 02:02:49,400
and they're described experiences they

2768
02:02:54,460 --> 02:02:51,380
just couldn't understand I'm thinking in

2769
02:02:57,670 --> 02:02:54,470
particular now about the Incubus and

2770
02:03:00,190 --> 02:02:57,680
succubus which are male and female

2771
02:03:02,650 --> 02:03:00,200
demons don't like the word demon but

2772
02:03:07,060 --> 02:03:02,660
respectively they're supposed to visit

2773
02:03:08,020 --> 02:03:07,070
sleeping people at night and immobilize

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02:03:12,730 --> 02:03:08,030
them when they're asleep

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02:03:14,950 --> 02:03:12,740
and they usually wait to find a huge

2776
02:03:17,320 --> 02:03:14,960
pressure on their chest for whatever

2777
02:03:21,069 --> 02:03:17,330
they can't move they can't scream and

2778
02:03:23,839 --> 02:03:21,079
then lots of these cases

2779
02:03:26,419 --> 02:03:23,849
yeah there is there supposed to be a

2780
02:03:29,089 --> 02:03:26,429
sexual element involved now I'm not

2781
02:03:31,549 --> 02:03:29,099
going to go into that and I never did

2782
02:03:34,129 --> 02:03:31,559
okay we've gone into it many times here

2783
02:03:37,639 --> 02:03:34,139
on the pair of Caston and as Jacques

2784
02:03:41,239 --> 02:03:37,649
ballet one of my heroes pointed out in

2785
02:03:45,770 --> 02:03:41,249
passage - magana Incubus and succubus

2786
02:03:48,919 --> 02:03:45,780
could be sort of a proto modern day you

2787
02:03:51,770 --> 02:03:48,929
know abduction scenario I mean there are

2788
02:03:54,919 --> 02:03:51,780
so many similar elements in there look

2789
02:03:58,279 --> 02:03:54,929
but the question I think is what I'm

2790
02:04:01,699 --> 02:03:58,289
trying to Conrad who posted the question

2791
02:04:05,779 --> 02:04:01,709
I think what he's asking is people have

2792
02:04:08,869 --> 02:04:05,789
an experience and it it's mind shaking

2793
02:04:11,349 --> 02:04:08,879
life altering if you follow up with

2794
02:04:15,649 --> 02:04:11,359
those people how has that changed their

2795
02:04:20,889 --> 02:04:15,659
reality view I mean have they exhibited

2796
02:04:25,939 --> 02:04:20,899
some sort of like new paranoia or new I

2797
02:04:28,009 --> 02:04:25,949
don't know inspiration people when they

2798
02:04:31,129 --> 02:04:28,019
have you know I've investigated many

2799
02:04:33,500 --> 02:04:31,139
many cases cases I've been out there and

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02:04:36,040 --> 02:04:33,510
I've done that but one thing that I've

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02:04:39,770 --> 02:04:36,050
noticed is if people have life-altering

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02:04:42,729 --> 02:04:39,780
experiences it tends to be tempered by

2803
02:04:45,949 --> 02:04:42,739
the culture that they live within and

2804
02:04:48,139 --> 02:04:45,959
have you some of your long-term cases

2805
02:04:51,219 --> 02:04:48,149
have you noticed something interesting

2806
02:04:54,020 --> 02:04:51,229
in how their reality viewers evolved

2807
02:04:56,270 --> 02:04:54,030
I've seen it to two degrees I've seen it

2808
02:04:59,479 --> 02:04:56,280
to an extreme degree such as people that

2809
02:05:03,979 --> 02:04:59,489
come to see me I had one girl country

2810
02:05:05,989 --> 02:05:03,989
theme in 1992 a German girl he was

2811
02:05:08,719 --> 02:05:05,999
living in England at the time and she

2812
02:05:12,739 --> 02:05:08,729
had some horrendous experiences with

2813
02:05:15,290 --> 02:05:12,749
visitation at night from presumably an

2814
02:05:18,409 --> 02:05:15,300
incubus and it really had a terrible

2815
02:05:21,259 --> 02:05:18,419
effect on her that's one extreme I mean

2816
02:05:24,349 --> 02:05:21,269
she actually went to and she went to the

2817
02:05:25,189 --> 02:05:24,359
doctor things got so bad she lost her

2818
02:05:28,040 --> 02:05:25,199
appetite

2819
02:05:29,169 --> 02:05:28,050
she became prone to bouts of

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02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:29,179
sleepwalking

2821
02:05:36,620 --> 02:05:33,530
she she became

2822
02:05:43,100 --> 02:05:36,630
she developed an aversion to by sunlight

2823
02:05:45,410 --> 02:05:43,110
and she literally was almost in the

2824
02:05:48,380 --> 02:05:45,420
suicidal state now the doctor couldn't

2825
02:05:49,490 --> 02:05:48,390
understand it by the same token she

2826
02:05:50,720 --> 02:05:49,500
couldn't really explain what was

2827
02:05:53,300 --> 02:05:50,730
happening to her because she didn't want

2828
02:05:56,320 --> 02:05:53,310
the doctor to think he was mad she was

2829
02:06:00,760 --> 02:05:56,330
mad but he did prescribe he did confirm

2830
02:06:03,020 --> 02:06:00,770
she was anemic she'd lost a lot of warm

2831
02:06:06,680 --> 02:06:03,030
blood wasn't thick enough or something

2832
02:06:08,450 --> 02:06:06,690
and he described armed pills now that

2833
02:06:11,150 --> 02:06:08,460
was the doctors solution physical

2834
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:11,160
solution but I saw that person in a very

2835
02:06:16,100 --> 02:06:14,010
extreme state of sort of anxiety ever

2836
02:06:19,220 --> 02:06:16,110
said she was almost becoming suicidal

2837
02:06:21,350 --> 02:06:19,230
that's why she came to see myself give

2838
02:06:25,610 --> 02:06:21,360
us a time frame I mean what what sort of

2839
02:06:28,790 --> 02:06:25,620
time frame are we talking about all this

2840
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:28,800
happened within two or three months and

2841
02:06:33,230 --> 02:06:30,410
it happened quite regularly

2842
02:06:37,640 --> 02:06:33,240
the year was 92 but it had been

2843
02:06:40,700 --> 02:06:37,650
happening to her for a few months and I

2844
02:06:43,400 --> 02:06:40,710
tried everything I could do to help her

2845
02:06:45,200 --> 02:06:43,410
I suggested that she moved the bed in

2846
02:06:48,650 --> 02:06:45,210
the room where she was sleeping could

2847
02:06:50,750 --> 02:06:48,660
have been the position of the bed but it

2848
02:06:53,480 --> 02:06:50,760
kept coming back the same thing happened

2849
02:06:55,420 --> 02:06:53,490
happened to her again and again that's

2850
02:06:58,040 --> 02:06:55,430
one extreme one you could say that

2851
02:07:01,070 --> 02:06:58,050
experiences do affect people and the

2852
02:07:04,250 --> 02:07:01,080
other as you mentioned it can give

2853
02:07:06,620 --> 02:07:04,260
people is sort of a new insights into

2854
02:07:09,710 --> 02:07:06,630
that must be something beyond material

2855
02:07:12,350 --> 02:07:09,720
life and it makes them fascinated more

2856
02:07:15,380 --> 02:07:12,360
inspired inspired yeah I want to be

2857
02:07:20,060 --> 02:07:15,390
though it further I want to explore it

2858
02:07:22,970 --> 02:07:20,070
further yeah well there we go Jean you

2859
02:07:26,170 --> 02:07:22,980
know we're talking about someone who has

2860
02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:26,180
been out in the field for over 40 years

2861
02:07:33,950 --> 02:07:29,570
has been able to do some you know

2862
02:07:37,160 --> 02:07:33,960
long-term monitoring of key cases and we

2863
02:07:39,200 --> 02:07:37,170
have you know what I think is an

2864
02:07:41,570 --> 02:07:39,210
important element in this whole

2865
02:07:44,240 --> 02:07:41,580
investigative realm and that is the

2866
02:07:45,770 --> 02:07:44,250
impact of these experiences on the

2867
02:07:46,830 --> 02:07:45,780
people that experience them and how it

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02:07:48,990 --> 02:07:46,840
reverb

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02:07:52,820 --> 02:07:49,000
you know down in their lives and how

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02:07:55,680 --> 02:07:52,830
that spawns off and even inspires or

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02:07:58,490 --> 02:07:55,690
informed educates people that are close

2872
02:08:01,500 --> 02:07:58,500
to them this is something that you don't

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02:08:02,490 --> 02:08:01,510
hear anybody in the field of paranormal

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02:08:05,190 --> 02:08:02,500
investigation

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god forbid you follow G ever talking

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about or addressing it's the impact of

2877
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these experiences as they were burberry

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out in the culture and I you know David

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you know you're a stick to it event guy

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we have to tell everybody we have David

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appreciate your lengthy answers and your

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information Chris we have any more

2987
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questions left oh we do this one comes

2988
02:13:20,750 --> 02:13:15,480
well actually this is more of a

2989
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commentary this comes from I can't even

2990
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pronounce the name Jane but they've been

2991
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a forum member since May 20th off an

2992
02:13:34,670 --> 02:13:31,980
itsy-bitsy hint off to mr. front and

2993
02:13:37,280 --> 02:13:34,680
suggest calmly that if he doesn't want

2994
02:13:39,740 --> 02:13:37,290
to focus on Highgate then maybe he

2995
02:13:44,060 --> 02:13:39,750
shouldn't focus on the Highgate and then

2996
02:13:47,420 --> 02:13:44,070
there's some sort of link to over 200

2997
02:13:50,330 --> 02:13:47,430
web discussion pages on Highgate now I

2998
02:13:51,650 --> 02:13:50,340
think that's a rather unfair question or

2999
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I don't think it's a question like it's

3000
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a ridiculous comment I think we should

3001
02:13:58,190 --> 02:13:56,550
just leave it okay you know what forget

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02:13:59,480 --> 02:13:58,200
about it we'll accept the comment

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02:14:01,400 --> 02:13:59,490
because everyone has a right to their

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02:14:04,070 --> 02:14:01,410
opinion and we'll go from there let's go

3005
02:14:07,730 --> 02:14:04,080
to some more questions from somebody who

3006
02:14:11,180 --> 02:14:07,740
is nameless you know there's three

3007
02:14:12,590 --> 02:14:11,190
questions sorry a bit greedy Jing hello

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David and hope you are well

3009
02:14:18,439 --> 02:14:15,720
having lived in crouch and crouch and

3010
02:14:21,199 --> 02:14:18,449
for a while although not there presently

3011
02:14:23,600 --> 02:14:21,209
I was wandering I was wondering if you

3012
02:14:26,060 --> 02:14:23,610
had any ruminations about this area I

3013
02:14:28,339 --> 02:14:26,070
found there was definitely something

3014
02:14:29,359 --> 02:14:28,349
going on here but couldn't quite put my

3015
02:14:33,199 --> 02:14:29,369
finger on it

3016
02:14:36,169 --> 02:14:33,209
I believe it used to be quite bohemian I

3017
02:14:40,669 --> 02:14:36,179
think in the 60s there was even a

3018
02:14:43,640 --> 02:14:40,679
Stephen King story set there - what

3019
02:14:44,109 --> 02:14:43,650
about that crouch end does that ring a

3020
02:14:46,850 --> 02:14:44,119
bell

3021
02:14:48,410 --> 02:14:46,860
well clap chant is very very close to

3022
02:14:50,779 --> 02:14:48,420
Highgate we're actually live at the

3023
02:14:54,020 --> 02:14:50,789
moment and he's right

3024
02:14:58,129 --> 02:14:54,030
that is the roast of always has been a

3025
02:15:01,009 --> 02:14:58,139
very sort of bohemian area almost as if

3026
02:15:03,469 --> 02:15:01,019
it's almost self-contained and it's not

3027
02:15:06,199 --> 02:15:03,479
really a part of London there's been

3028
02:15:08,299 --> 02:15:06,209
quite a few incidences of ghosts down

3029
02:15:12,199 --> 02:15:08,309
there none come to mind at the moment

3030
02:15:16,339 --> 02:15:12,209
except maybe the old gothic mansion

3031
02:15:19,149 --> 02:15:16,349
which is in Avenue Road which is

3032
02:15:22,239 --> 02:15:19,159
actually in on the outskirts crash and

3033
02:15:28,810 --> 02:15:22,249
which we investigated some years ago

3034
02:15:31,279 --> 02:15:28,820
1973 the house was originally built with

3035
02:15:33,290 --> 02:15:31,289
originally built I can't give you the

3036
02:15:37,219 --> 02:15:33,300
date but it's a couple of hundred years

3037
02:15:40,489 --> 02:15:37,229
old and it was burnt out by fire and

3038
02:15:43,399 --> 02:15:40,499
they were quite some very potent stories

3039
02:15:45,830 --> 02:15:43,409
about neighbors there seeing ghostly

3040
02:15:48,669 --> 02:15:45,840
figures in the area and that that house

3041
02:15:51,080 --> 02:15:48,679
is quite well known or what at the time

3042
02:15:52,520 --> 02:15:51,090
I'm certainly familiar with that one

3043
02:15:54,199 --> 02:15:52,530
yesterday went to the house when we took

3044
02:15:57,709 --> 02:15:54,209
photographs there and we actually spent

3045
02:15:59,899 --> 02:15:57,719
a couple of videos there at night to try

3046
02:16:02,359 --> 02:15:59,909
and find out the causation for some of

3047
02:16:03,819 --> 02:16:02,369
these hauntings yeah Chris you are

3048
02:16:05,930 --> 02:16:03,829
moving to the next question

3049
02:16:08,569 --> 02:16:05,940
well here's another question from

3050
02:16:10,759 --> 02:16:08,579
nameless also wondering if you had any

3051
02:16:15,279 --> 02:16:10,769
info on the supposed witch and

3052
02:16:20,239 --> 02:16:15,289
subsequent curse on Alexandra Palace

3053
02:16:22,069 --> 02:16:20,249
it's a bit it's a very simple question

3054
02:16:23,989 --> 02:16:22,079
the answer is no I don't have any

3055
02:16:25,910 --> 02:16:23,999
personal experience of it I can't

3056
02:16:27,770 --> 02:16:25,920
confirm that there was a legend I mean

3057
02:16:30,970 --> 02:16:27,780
as far as I remember I should know it's

3058
02:16:37,810 --> 02:16:30,980
only about a mile away from where it is

3059
02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:37,820
Geron palace was built in 1880 1875

3060
02:16:43,330 --> 02:16:41,050
around that period and funnily enough

3061
02:16:46,419 --> 02:16:43,340
believe it had only been open for a

3062
02:16:49,900 --> 02:16:46,429
couple of weeks and sedan you were

3063
02:16:52,660 --> 02:16:49,910
building very popular before it was

3064
02:16:56,259 --> 02:16:52,670
destroyed by fire if memory serves me

3065
02:17:00,820 --> 02:16:56,269
serves me correctly I net done it had to

3066
02:17:04,660 --> 02:17:00,830
be rebuilt after that not to open

3067
02:17:08,970 --> 02:17:04,670
through about seven years later and then

3068
02:17:13,509 --> 02:17:08,980
of course we had another fire there in

3069
02:17:16,959 --> 02:17:13,519
1980 I believe it was in July and it was

3070
02:17:19,959 --> 02:17:16,969
very very serious fire and it lost most

3071
02:17:22,120 --> 02:17:19,969
of its roof and the word loads of rumors

3072
02:17:23,589 --> 02:17:22,130
going around that had been it was

3073
02:17:27,459 --> 02:17:23,599
because the palace had been broughten

3074
02:17:31,240 --> 02:17:27,469
built so on sacred ground

3075
02:17:36,580 --> 02:17:31,250
No is this in close proximity to the

3076
02:17:39,700 --> 02:17:36,590
Highgate area or hey it's in close

3077
02:17:41,740 --> 02:17:39,710
proximity to both I'd say from where I'm

3078
02:17:44,740 --> 02:17:41,750
sitting at the moment it's not more than

3079
02:17:47,890 --> 02:17:44,750
a mile away that is Alexandra Palace

3080
02:17:50,350 --> 02:17:47,900
it's very high up and of course it was

3081
02:17:53,379 --> 02:17:50,360
destroyed by fire again and that there

3082
02:17:57,430 --> 02:17:53,389
two of these rumors Senate had been

3083
02:18:02,890 --> 02:17:57,440
subject to a witch's curse hence the two

3084
02:18:03,700 --> 02:18:02,900
fires there but I can't say much more

3085
02:18:06,759 --> 02:18:03,710
than that

3086
02:18:09,759 --> 02:18:06,769
so you really have not not come up with

3087
02:18:12,310 --> 02:18:09,769
some individual that said this place is

3088
02:18:14,860 --> 02:18:12,320
cursed and blah blah blah it doesn't

3089
02:18:18,730 --> 02:18:14,870
matter what they tried to do you know

3090
02:18:21,310 --> 02:18:18,740
some sort of witch being burned or some

3091
02:18:22,690 --> 02:18:21,320
deathbed you know curse on the side

3092
02:18:25,570 --> 02:18:22,700
there's nothing like that and the

3093
02:18:26,919 --> 02:18:25,580
research that you have found no no but

3094
02:18:29,259 --> 02:18:26,929
I've certainly heard those room this

3095
02:18:31,330 --> 02:18:29,269
year I'm sorry not to be more Pacific

3096
02:18:33,520 --> 02:18:31,340
but I cut I can't really make things up

3097
02:18:35,919 --> 02:18:33,530
that haven't happened but I've certainly

3098
02:18:39,100 --> 02:18:35,929
heard those rumors years that the

3099
02:18:40,900 --> 02:18:39,110
Alexander Palace was in fact it the

3100
02:18:43,160 --> 02:18:40,910
victim of a curse and witch's curse

3101
02:18:46,339 --> 02:18:43,170
because it just happened to be built

3102
02:18:49,549 --> 02:18:46,349
on sacred ground well it happened to be

3103
02:18:50,479 --> 02:18:49,559
built in the wrong place I have heard

3104
02:18:52,459 --> 02:18:50,489
that much yeah

3105
02:18:54,469 --> 02:18:52,469
let me ask you a sideways question here

3106
02:18:56,660 --> 02:18:54,479
before Chris gets into the final section

3107
02:18:58,910 --> 02:18:56,670
of the comments from our listener

3108
02:19:00,919 --> 02:18:58,920
nameless and that is of all the cases

3109
02:19:02,870 --> 02:19:00,929
that you've investigated over the years

3110
02:19:07,820 --> 02:19:02,880
there's got to be quite a few have you

3111
02:19:11,750 --> 02:19:07,830
found any or many hoaxes yes I certainly

3112
02:19:15,740 --> 02:19:11,760
have I've certainly have found quite a

3113
02:19:18,469 --> 02:19:15,750
few hoaxes you said quite a few and you

3114
02:19:21,979 --> 02:19:18,479
said not many so I'm confused

3115
02:19:27,679 --> 02:19:21,989
okay where I'm always confused what the

3116
02:19:30,110 --> 02:19:27,689
heck it's partly my fault for confusing

3117
02:19:33,580 --> 02:19:30,120
that isn't the word another hoax is

3118
02:19:35,959 --> 02:19:33,590
concerned with the Highgate vampire case

3119
02:19:38,240 --> 02:19:35,969
so they use it as a means of

3120
02:19:40,669 --> 02:19:38,250
entertainment in what sense hoaxes they

3121
02:19:42,679 --> 02:19:40,679
just faked the apparition so your glom

3122
02:19:44,269 --> 02:19:42,689
on would Jean you know everybody wants

3123
02:19:47,839 --> 02:19:44,279
you know it's like when there's a dead

3124
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:47,849
cow you know a real mutilation reported

3125
02:19:52,670 --> 02:19:50,010
in the Southwest United States and then

3126
02:19:54,679 --> 02:19:52,680
if if the newspapers get a hold of it

3127
02:19:57,080 --> 02:19:54,689
then boom you know three four weeks

3128
02:19:59,899 --> 02:19:57,090
later every dead cows been mutilated and

3129
02:20:04,309 --> 02:19:59,909
aliens are coming to gather genetic

3130
02:20:10,250 --> 02:20:04,319
material blah blah they're not no Jean

3131
02:20:15,800 --> 02:20:12,800
I have to agree with that now have there

3132
02:20:17,000 --> 02:20:15,810
been any cases here hoaxes where it

3133
02:20:19,040 --> 02:20:17,010
really took a little bit of work to

3134
02:20:25,729 --> 02:20:19,050
figure out it was a hoax and wasn't just

3135
02:20:29,920 --> 02:20:25,739
obvious no not many come to mind if you

3136
02:20:35,780 --> 02:20:29,930
accept the Highgate vampire case when

3137
02:20:38,149 --> 02:20:35,790
and the hoax was really in the fact that

3138
02:20:40,010 --> 02:20:38,159
people kept making up stories about it

3139
02:20:42,620 --> 02:20:40,020
which didn't really happen is it a case

3140
02:20:44,719 --> 02:20:42,630
of having the creature or entity or

3141
02:20:46,429 --> 02:20:44,729
apparition do things that in general

3142
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:46,439
those who have these experiences never

3143
02:20:52,160 --> 02:20:50,250
report is that part of it I mean how do

3144
02:20:55,429 --> 02:20:52,170
you separate is if someone see something

3145
02:20:57,139 --> 02:20:55,439
at the cemetery and you may report to

3146
02:20:58,969 --> 02:20:57,149
you and say okay David this is what have

3147
02:21:01,580 --> 02:20:58,979
and then someone else makes up the same

3148
02:21:04,340 --> 02:21:01,590
report how do you separate them well

3149
02:21:06,170 --> 02:21:04,350
gene hold on before before David answers

3150
02:21:08,750 --> 02:21:06,180
that it's people that hear that

3151
02:21:11,300 --> 02:21:08,760
something strange or spooky is going on

3152
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:11,310
up there and they go up there quivering

3153
02:21:16,820 --> 02:21:14,010
with anticipation and the slightest

3154
02:21:19,670 --> 02:21:16,830
little shadow or I'm not talking about

3155
02:21:21,950 --> 02:21:19,680
that I understand misidentification get

3156
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people excited about UFOs and every

3157
02:21:25,790 --> 02:21:24,180
light in the sky is a UFO you get people

3158
02:21:28,100 --> 02:21:25,800
excited about ghosts and other

3159
02:21:30,320 --> 02:21:28,110
apparitions and everything they see is a

3160
02:21:32,330 --> 02:21:30,330
ghost I'm thinking of somebody who goes

3161
02:21:36,080 --> 02:21:32,340
to the extent of saying we're gonna fake

3162
02:21:38,150 --> 02:21:36,090
it either by using somebody wearing a

3163
02:21:41,060 --> 02:21:38,160
ghost costume or just saying they saw

3164
02:21:42,530 --> 02:21:41,070
something that they didn't see is that -

3165
02:21:45,110 --> 02:21:42,540
sort of fakery we're so you're talking

3166
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about people that are homeless event

3167
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you're not talking about the people

3168
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that's why I said fix okay I didn't

3169
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understand yes sir

3170
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that I posed this is our final segment

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here of the episode and that is do you

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have evidence of people faking in

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episode Highgate anywhere else actually

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faking what happened okay well let me

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give you an example um there were some

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pictures of the so called Highgate

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vampire that will produce from the BBC

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television in London and the ITV

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television in London and also on French

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television and there were pictures of

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the Highgate vampire after it had

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supposedly been staked in this coffin

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now these pictures were shown as I said

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publicly on television and the people

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that made the claim maintained that this

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is how they found they eventually found

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the Highgate vampire in quotes they

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tracked it down to his coffin well who

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were its coffin lay and they dragged it

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out into the gardens they staked it

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through the heart because they had to be

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destroyed it left off that gave off a

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terrible scream as if from the bowels of

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hell and it disintegrated but just

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before it disintegrated they managed to

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take photographs of it and then they

3321
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produced these photographs on national

3322
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television and they maintained that this

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was evidence that the Highgate vampire

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existed it's kind of like the story of

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somebody keeping the remains of Bigfoot

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in a refrigerator

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something like that yeah so I would say

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that was an outright hoax yeah I mean

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you did ask me for an example of a hoax

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no I understand obviously it sounds like

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one because the point you're making here

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is that if you see the Highgate vampire

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yeah but you don't know of anybody who

3334
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actually took out their iPhone camera or

3335
02:28:56,730 --> 02:28:54,729
the digital camera went to the Highgate

3336
02:29:02,370 --> 02:28:56,740
Cemetery saw something tried to take

3337
02:29:04,350 --> 02:29:02,380
picture no I don't okay I don't Chris we

3338
02:29:06,510 --> 02:29:04,360
had one more question left yeah I

3339
02:29:08,520 --> 02:29:06,520
wouldn't be surprised before I go on to

3340
02:29:11,130 --> 02:29:08,530
this last question I wouldn't be

3341
02:29:13,350 --> 02:29:11,140
surprised if somebody happened to be

3342
02:29:16,320 --> 02:29:13,360
taking a picture there and something

3343
02:29:18,120 --> 02:29:16,330
showed up on their camera image that

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they didn't see when they took the shot

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02:29:25,650 --> 02:29:21,910
that then could be spun into something

3346
02:29:27,920 --> 02:29:25,660
anomalous but I think we've David we've

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already kind of covered this ground but

3348
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nameless says lastly I wanted to know if

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you think attitudes to the occult have

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changed and if there was still a stigma

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/ persecution attached to a cultist

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02:29:46,980 --> 02:29:45,010
and occultism he says I say in this

3353
02:29:50,790 --> 02:29:46,990
regard to your own experiences and those

3354
02:29:54,480 --> 02:29:50,800
of likes of Genesis P Orage Gerald

3355
02:29:57,330 --> 02:29:54,490
Suster etc thanks for all your time and

3356
02:30:01,200 --> 02:29:57,340
all the best I think I can answer that

3357
02:30:04,590 --> 02:30:01,210
question by saying really I mentioned at

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02:30:05,370 --> 02:30:04,600
the beginning of your show exactly just

3359
02:30:07,740 --> 02:30:05,380
- yes really

3360
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especially I don't believe basic

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02:30:13,469 --> 02:30:11,080
attitudes towards the occult and the way

3362
02:30:18,300 --> 02:30:13,479
this is associated with black magic and

3363
02:30:20,280 --> 02:30:18,310
Satanism completely blown out of all

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02:30:22,920 --> 02:30:20,290
proportion that has to be connected with

3365
02:30:25,170 --> 02:30:22,930
black magic and Satanism I should say so

3366
02:30:26,820 --> 02:30:25,180
there is attitude hadn't have not

3367
02:30:28,530 --> 02:30:26,830
changed because it's got very people

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02:30:31,950 --> 02:30:28,540
that are making those assumptions that

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02:30:34,440 --> 02:30:31,960
are really responsible for giving

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genuine psychic investigations a bad

3371
02:30:39,450 --> 02:30:37,540
name psychic investigations if they're

3372
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meant to be carried out and what if it

3373
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comes to that national religion itself

3374
02:30:48,870 --> 02:30:47,050
and nothing to do I do stress this I'm

3375
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sorry repeat myself would being an

3376
02:30:54,030 --> 02:30:51,370
important point and nothing to do with

3377
02:30:57,540 --> 02:30:54,040
Satan and nothing to do with black magic

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most importantly rule I better qualify

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02:31:03,440 --> 02:30:59,500
this Regina says

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thank you I mean listen people listen

3381
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I'm just gonna say that I myself have

3382
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never been involved in seconds and all

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02:31:12,090 --> 02:31:10,270
black magic in fact I've always warned

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people the dangers have become involved

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in there for many years now keeping that

3386
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answers the question okay I think you

3387
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did and I would underscore it by saying

3388
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there are certain things that are going

3389
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on in our reality that we can't define

3390
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scientifically yet yes this is a proto

3391
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science we are proto scientists if you

3392
02:31:45,750 --> 02:31:43,000
will and at some point I think the data

3393
02:31:49,560 --> 02:31:45,760
in our ability to log the data and

3394
02:31:51,150 --> 02:31:49,570
detect and measure it is going to

3395
02:31:54,540 --> 02:31:51,160
overwhelm the mystery and I think at

3396
02:31:57,660 --> 02:31:54,550
some point location specific sites like

3397
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haunted sites or UFO hotspot areas are

3398
02:32:02,880 --> 02:32:00,250
going to be the lynchpin for discovery

3399
02:32:05,700 --> 02:32:02,890
we're actually going to be able to come

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up with the kind of data that we need to

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present academia in to the scientific

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community and go you can't explain this

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away so get busy help us out you know

3404
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and my hats off to you David you've done

3405
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a great job over a lot of years I'm not

3406
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as familiar with your work as I'd like

3407
02:32:30,150 --> 02:32:27,610
to be and and will be but you know it's

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unsung heroes in the trenches like use

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Dan Gordon in Pennsylvania almost 50

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years he's been you know doggedly doing

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the field investigative work Philip oil

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up in the shoes Barrie area the the

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animal pathology Research Unit I mean

3414
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there's a lot of people around this

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planet that are really doing the work

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02:32:54,780 --> 02:32:51,940
they're not looking to be you know some

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sort of cultural heroes they're actually

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doing the work

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interacting with people that have

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experiences that can't be readily

3421
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explained and you know my hats off to

3422
02:33:10,460 --> 02:33:06,700
you continued success in your work

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I'd love to dovetail some of my

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connections here in the US and

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especially in EVP realm that I've been

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involved with here for the last few

3427
02:33:23,610 --> 02:33:20,229
years you know my hats off to you and

3428
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continue inspiring others out there to

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take up the mantle of the investigator

3430
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and let's take this thing down you know

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take the ball down the field you know

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think get out of the scrum you know

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those of us who I get out of the scrum

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David Ferrand tell us how to get in

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touch with you and maybe give us a

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little bit more information about

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British psychic and occult society boys

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best thing if you don't mind me I'm dumb

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on the efforts I think it's really go

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ahead be advertised it you have the next

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I'm not going to start avatar in my

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neither my website it's quite easy to

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it's just my name dezik parent org and

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that goes onto my website and this quite

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a lot of information on there which

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people can leave his articles and more

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stuff like that

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in case anybody might be interested yeah

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now do you have regular memberships like

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someone gets a magazine or gets a

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membership card or something like that

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yeah we have membership cards and we

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have membership form as membership cards

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and the lessons thing but we could send

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that information if anybody's interest

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and they contact me and the details are

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on my website yes sure I'd be happy to

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speak to anybody that's really

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interested in your subject I would

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assume also someone has an unusual

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experience where they are oh I know she

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has to because I'm still in the process

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of writing my books and I'm always

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looking out for what new information

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from genuine people sharing experiences

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that's not to say that people are

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genuine in general but we really

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appreciate any information about

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people's experience if you love to hear

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them or not it becomes that now is it

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restricted to the UK or anywhere in the

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world it's mostly restricted to the UK

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especially if we have to visit people

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otherwise you go rogue from the travel

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fees real fast there isn't that kind of

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my

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in this business no that doesn't mean

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slavery one concept people doing I mean

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it was even if they like some far afield

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from Australia or New Zealand they will

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be answered yeah cool that works Chris

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let's look at what you have we have

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people who are in the final stages I

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hope of redesigning our strange plants

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come yeah we could be we could be

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talking about the inaugural

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reintroduction of our strange planet

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calm our strange planet calm it's gonna

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for asking me onto your show James Hahn

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